The coming COVID-19 vaccine fallout

The COVID-19 vaccines that were rushed to market have serious problems. This will become more clear over time, and the fallout will be devastating.

Meanwhile, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has recommended people get vaccinated, and many people have done so. I have no problem with this recommendation. The Church has always recommended vaccination with past vaccines. The Church is anxious to keep temples open and to continue the work of the Gospel. There are many high-risk people who should get vaccinated.

Regardless of what happens with the vaccines, and as I say the information coming out is very negative, the Church is still true. The prophet is still the prophet. Nothing has changed. I want to make sure that I make it clear that my faith does not depend on the Church’s position on COVID vaccines. Your faith should not depend on that either.

In the meantime, it is important that readers of this blog are aware of the problems with the vaccines so they are prepared.

I already warned in this recent post that the antibody protection provided by the vaccines is fading, and in many locations there are more cases of the virus and hospitalizations and deaths among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.

But this is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Senate held a hearing today on adverse reactions to the COVID 19 vaccines. Here is a partial list of people who testified:

  • Cody Flint, an airline pilot from Cleveland, Mississippi, who accumulated 10,000 hours of flight time was diagnosed with left and right perilymphatic fistula, Eustachian tube dysfunction and elevated intracranial pressure following Pfizer vaccination.
  • Ernest Ramirez, a father from Austin, Texas, whose only son collapsed playing basketball and passed away from myocarditis following Pfizer vaccination.
  • Amy and Abby Alvo from Los Angeles, California, whose daughter suffered an adverse reaction from her first dose of Pfizer vaccine, having been denied a medical exemption twice, she will be kicked off her collegiate cheer team if she is not fully vaccinated.
  • Doug Cameron, farm operations manager from Idaho, permanently paralyzed following vaccination.
  • Kyle Werner, a professional mountain bike racer from Boise, Idaho was diagnosed with pericarditis following vaccination.
  • Suzanna Newell, a triathlete from Saint Paul, Minneapolis, was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease and reliant on a walker or cane to walk following vaccination.
  • Kelly Ann Rodriguez, a young mother from Tacoma, Washington is reliant on a walker following vaccination.
  • Maddie de Garay, a 12-year-old Pfizer clinical trial participant from Cincinnati, Ohio, is confined to a wheelchair and feeding tube.
  • Brianne Dressen, an AstraZeneca clinical trial participant from Utah, co-founded, a patient advocacy organization dedicated to increasing awareness of adverse events.
  • Dr. Joel Wallskog, an orthopedic surgeon from Mequon, Wisconsin, was diagnosed with transverse myelitis following Moderna vaccination.

In fact, more than 726,000 adverse reactions to the COVID vaccines have reported to the VAERS database, including more than 15,000 deaths.

Also today, the BMJ, one of the most respected medical journals in the world, issued an investigative report on the Pfizer vaccine, in which we find the following:

But, for researchers who were testing Pfizer’s vaccine at several sites in Texas during that autumn, speed may have come at the cost of data integrity and patient safety. A regional director who was employed at the research organisation Ventavia Research Group has told The BMJ that the company falsified data, unblinded patients, employed inadequately trained vaccinators, and was slow to follow up on adverse events reported in Pfizer’s pivotal phase III trial. Staff who conducted quality control checks were overwhelmed by the volume of problems they were finding. After repeatedly notifying Ventavia of these problems, the regional director, Brook Jackson, emailed a complaint to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Ventavia fired her later the same day. Jackson has provided The BMJ with dozens of internal company documents, photos, audio recordings, and emails.

Meanwhile, this little noticed NBC poll shows that people are increasingly opposed to the vaccine mandate and more likely than ever to believe that the COVID crisis is behind us.

This new study shows that the mRNA vaccines provide significant risks to pregnant women, contradicting earlier claims that the vaccines are safe. The study says:

Our re-analysis indicates a cumulative incidence of spontaneous abortion 7 to 8 times higher than the original authors’ results (p < 0.001) and the typical average for pregnancy loss during this time period. In light of these findings, key policy decisions have been made using unreliable and questionable data. We conclude that the claims made using these data on the safety of exposure of women in early pregnancy to mRNA-based vaccines to prevent COVID-19 are unwarranted and recommend that those policy decisions be revisited.

Meanwhile, this new report out of the UK indicates the vaccines are destroying peoples’ immune systems. Read the whole thing — it is devastating and very scary.

In this environment, the push to vaccinate children, who are at virtually no risk of getting COVID, is gruesome and unforgivable.

Let’s look at the numbers:

A tiny percentage of COVID deaths and hospitalizations have been among children, and when you actually look at the cases of the children who have died from COVID, the vast majority had several other co-morbidities. The number of healthy children who have died from COVID is statistically zero. Your children are much more likely to die in the car traveling to school than they are to die from COVID. And to answer another concern: the vaccines do nothing to protect the transmission of COVID, so there is no reason for children to get a vaccine to protect grandpa either.

Even the New York Times has reported that COVID is not dangerous for kids:

I want to drive home this point, because I sincerely hope no Latter-day Saint families are vaccinating their children for COVID: The WHO says children should not be vaccinated for COVID. The Moderna mRNA vaccine has been banned in many countries because it has been proven dangerous to children and people under 30. If we know that the vaccines do nothing to stop transmission, what possible reason could we have for vaccinating our kids?

I am going to close this post with the strange stories of high level athletes who are suffering severe health effects right after getting the vaccines. These stories are anecdotal, but we are seeing more and more of them every day. This French tennis player, ranked in the top 25, had to drop out of the tour after suffering an adverse reaction to the vaccine. This top college golfer developed heart problems right after being vaccinated. There have been at least four professional soccer players in Europe who have developed heart issues soon after vaccination. And now the recently vaccinated New Jersey Nets center is out with a mysterious illness. These are stories that cannot be covered up. The people involved are too prominent.

There is something very wrong with these vaccines, at least when it comes to the young and the healthy and pregnant women. This will become increasingly clear in the coming months. We all should be prepared for this, because the effect on society will be devastating.

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About Geoff B.

Geoff B graduated from Stanford University (class of 1985) and worked in journalism for several years until about 1992, when he took up his second career in telecommunications sales. He has held many callings in the Church, but his favorite calling is father and husband. Geoff is active in martial arts and loves hiking and skiing. Geoff has five children and lives in Colorado.

23 thoughts on “The coming COVID-19 vaccine fallout

  1. So, the prophet wasn’t warned about this by God? People are getting vaccinated as a direct result of the prophets counsel and dying. I’ll be honest, I’ve always had a very strong testimony even when I was inactive for a while, but these last couple years have severely tested my faith.

  2. I’ve mentioned before, and I’ll do so again, my husband has had vaccine injury from the J&J We will be seeing a cardiolist this next month to assess the damage to his body. It’s been agony to see him suffer, because I can only pray for him. There is no way I will be putting this poison into my kids or myself.

  3. Aaron, do you know anybody who has been vaccinated and then died as a result of the vaccination?

    I know older people who have died from COVID. These people probably should be vaccinated.

    Aaron, this is a serious suggestion: please study the history of the Kirtland Safety Society and think about how it might apply to today. People blamed Joseph Smith for the failure of the anti-bank, but in reality it was simply a common result of the banking world of 19th century America. Many of the top leaders of the Church left, and there was even violence in the Kirtland temple. At the end of the day, Joseph Smith was a great prophet whose purpose was to translate the Book of Mormon and provide other scriptures and to usher in the restoration of the Gospel. He did this very well. I do not respect Joseph Smith because he was a banker, nor do I care that he was a failed banker.

    In the same way, I recognize that the vaccines are problematic but I don’t blame the prophet and the Brethren for the coming failure. First of all, the vaccines have not been a failure for many people. Second, people are responsible for making their own health choices. And third, we don’t know what will happen regarding COVID vaccines two, three or even 10 years from now.

    Aaron, you and I have both discovered that a low carb diet works for us and helps us maintain a healthy weight. Yet, Section 89 tells us to only eat meat in rare circumstances. Does this mean everything regarding the Word of Wisdom is wrong? Of course not. But at the end of the day, we are responsible for our own health choices.

    Aaron, when I lived in Brazil a missionary was killed in an armed robbery while on his mission. The prophet approved his mission to Brazil. Why didn’t he foresee that this missionary would be killed in Brazil and send him someplace else? We all should know that prophecy does not work this way. There are a hundred possible reasons for the Lord allowing this missionary to be killed. And in the same way, there are a hundred possible reasons for the Church recommending COVID vaccines. We cannot see all of them.

    I guess that’s why we call it faith.

  4. I find it interesting Geoff,That you advocate for the truthfulness of the gospel but then you only share the one-sidedness of the vaccine.
    You are correct in stating, the church is true and that our Prophet is still the Prophet of God. So let’s add to that a bit… First and foremost he is a seer and revelator, which would allude that perhaps he sees something bigger and would not lead us astray by taking something that is deadly or because he is a physician prior to his stewardship as the current prophet of God. Frankly, I was totally against this so called vaccine and I never take flu shots, but after fasting and praying I was told to take it.Nothing happened to me with the first or second Pfizer shot or my husband who currently has Parkinson’s. By the way we’re not old either. I know there are many arguments on both sides of the fence as to following the “Savior” As Pres. Nelson has been preaching to us, but can one really follow the Savior and not follow His mouthpiece? Now let’s talk about the fact that he’s mortal and all Prophets are mortal and make their own personal decisions and God does not micromanage the church. So Where does this leave us? I believe it boils down to the reason why we do what we do and God will judge our hearts and bless us for our faith. We also know a Prophet cannot lead the church astray. How about our covenants we make in the temple…This too has been something our Prophet has been hitting hard on,Which has led me to think of those promises I have made in the house of God. Namely, the Law of consecration. We promise to give all of our time,Talents, service, tithes, and even our life if necessary. Could taking this vaccine be a precursor to harder things that will be asked of us in the near future as we prepare for the upcoming last day trials and persecution? The bottom line is we all will pass on to the next life, whether by old age, or it’s our time – but fear of death should not put way our faith and trust in Gos chosen Prophet. Maybe we should ask ourself, will we be passing through the veil or just passing, I’ll let you read between the lines on that. Faith precedes a miracle and without it there’s no growth. I’ll close with our Prophets own words..” hang on it’s goi g to be a bumpy ride.”

  5. Karen, it is not my job to provide “the other side” of any issue, especially when every news station and every health authority you hear from is telling you to get jabbed. I am sure you have heard the other side before and don’t need to hear it from me.

    I am glad that you prayed about the vaccine and received an answer. That is a marvelous story of how faith should take place.

    Karen, I want you to think about something. I don’t WANT the vaccines to fail. It would be a wonderful, wonderful thing for me to write a story about how the vaccines are safe and providing protection that last for years if not a lifetime, like, for example, the polio vaccine. But that is not the case. In fact, the vaccines are failing, and more and more health experts are aware of this. This is why the booster shots are being pushed. The science shows very clearly, actually without a doubt, that the effectiveness of the vaccines fades very quickly, in a matter of weeks. And the vaccines do not provide protection against the variants. And this is why so many people who are vaccinated, like President Biden’s own press secretary, end up getting COVID.

    So, given that the vaccines are NOT working the way we were promised, how do you think people in the Church will respond six months from now when more and more people die from the vaccines or die from COVID despite being vaccinated? Don’t you think this will create a faith crisis for these people? And it will not be my fault for reporting what is happening, nor will it be the fault of the Brethren who did the right thing, given the circumstances, in encouraging vaccination.

    My point is not to blame Church leaders, who do not have any blame at all. My point is to encourage people to have faith in the Church despite the coming failure of the vaccines. I do not want people to leave the Church over this issue — I want them to realize that they need to take responsibility for their own health, and I want them to recognize that Church leaders are NOT at fault.

    It does no good at all for me to write some trumped up story about how wonderful the vaccines are when they are not. This would not be honest, and it would not help anybody’s testimony when the vaccines fail.

    And if I am completely wrong (and I hope I am), and by June 2022 we are all talking about how wonderful the vaccines are, and very few people suffer adverse reactions, and very few vaccinated people died, then I will be very happy about that. Sincerely. But the signs right now are very, very bad, I am sorry to say.

  6. Let’s look closer. The article you referenced in the Defender stated in bold, “Experts tell FDA vaccines ‘harm more people than they save’”. And then later the quote was: “Dr. Joseph Fraiman, an emergency medicine physician in New Orleans, said during his presentation to the FDA’s safety panel that no clinical evidence exists to disprove claims the COVID vaccines are harming more people than they save.”

    This data is not incorrect, but it is grossly misleading. The US data is: there have been 860,000 adverse reactions to Covid vaccines with 312,000 being not serious and 15,386 deaths (per the Defender article). This includes all adverse reactions, presumably even minor ones if they were reported. There have been 746,000 deaths from Covid to date (, so yes, there have been more cases of “harm” from the vaccine than deaths from Covid. But, that is comparing apples to oranges (harm of any kind vs. death). This kind of data reporting is irresponsible.
    Also, the overall risk of dying (from early 2020 to now) if you catch Covid is 1.6% (746,000 deaths / 46M cases) ( It is likely less than that now, especially if you are vaccinated. The risk of dying from a Covid vaccination is 8 thousandth’s of 1% (0.00008) (15,386 deaths from vaccine / 191M fully vaccinated). Roughly, that means dying from Covid is 200 times more likely than dying from the vaccine.

  7. Geoff has basically offered an advance inoculation for what could truly be an epic faith crisis soon.

    Folks… From here on out to the Second Coming, it’s going to be crazy. You’re gonna need true, epic faith to see you through. This is what the Brethren have been urging for a long time.

  8. Some of the doxxed and canceled epidemiologists have been saying for some time that they believe up to 60% of the test subjects could well be gone within 18 months ( other says by 2025) of taking the injections. There is no doubt that significant numbers are being harmed. German researchers several months ago were trying to reach out with concerns about micro-clotting and information about how to fix it. Additionally, Dr. Robert Malone, a researcher responsible at least in part for the MRNA science behind the Pfizer and Moderna shots has been emphatic that these products constitute ” leaky ” vaccines in that they are probably helping create new variants. The new variants and other troubles like clotting will undoubtedly help many to an early grave most especially the elderly who were targeted as a high priority in the first months of the push for the shots. Life expectancy (longevity) should drop precipitously over the next 2-4 years as we see the experiment go into high gear. Forced vaccination of people with these substances, most especially children, is a crime against humanity and all legal and peaceful means to oppose this should be paramount in the minds of reasonable people everywhere!

  9. The meme on the far right, from places like Australia, is “Nuremberg 2.0”. There are a lot of energizers right now that move this level of reactionism (moderated for today’s contexts) into the realm of possibility.

    -People who’ve been fired will want some blood.
    -People who were threatened job loss and capitulated and then got a vax injury will be livid. While this demographic is very small, it sets up classic non-linear responses (think residential school dynamics). Word-of-mouth bias effects will also produce some huge non-linearities.
    -There’s still an existential level culture war going on. The level of cultural mandates now employed is akin to the dynamics of 1600’s Catholic mandates against Protestantism or medieval Christian anti-paganism.

    Neither side wants to compromise anymore. People in the US can self-organize into Blue or Red states. Without that pressure release valve….

  10. KarlS, I think any Covid discussion (on either side) needs to be clear about stratified risks (and effects). Without this base I just don’t think any kind of rational discussion is possible. Even, then, people will talk past each other due to all the incredibly different group calculi used. But, the more stratified the discussions, the better.

  11. KarlS, I think you are being deliberately obtuse and avoiding the real points of this post. The question is not “should all people get the vaccine, looking at overall COVID death rates vs. vaccine death rates.” The question is: “should children and pregnant women and younger adults get the vaccine?” I have already conceded the point that the elderly and other people with high risk factors should get the vaccine, and I have said this in many posts.

    As the handy chart in my post makes clear, the risk from COVID is primarily to older people, and if you look at the data most of the people under 50 who have died have at least one co-morbidity and very often several co-morbidities. COVID is simply not a risk to most younger people. So, if they catch it they are very likely to survive and get natural immunity. And the science has clearly shown that natural immunity provides better protection than the vaccines.

    So, the real question is, “why would I get vaccinated if I am at very low risk of serious illness or death from COVID?” This is the issue that many people are pondering. In the case of Joyce’s husband (see comment number 2 above), he was at low risk, but his job forced him to get jabbed, and now he has serious health problems. Can you see that perhaps he and his wife would be a bit angry about that?

    Of course many other people will be vaccinated and suffer no ill consequences. But, again, why take the risk if 1)you are young and healthy and 2)the vaccine does not protect you from getting the virus and 3)the vaccine does not prevent you from transmitting the virus? And of course the science is clearly showing that there is absolutely no reason for children and pregnant women to risk getting the vaccine (except in a few rare cases).


    For any interested, here is the link to the Expert Panel on vaccine injuries meeting held yesterday with Sen. Johnson. It is long, but worth watching. The stories Geoff highlights are indeed heartbreaking. Many of them were trying to do their part by taking the vaccine and enthusiastically did so.
    Hearing from the doctors, scientists, researchers, etc. who bravely stepped forward was also compelling. It was valuable to (again) hear how the original forecasts, data, algorithms, etc., and upon which “the science” has relied, were created and compiled. Of note, information that has been included versus that deemed “not a priority” such that it has been discarded/hidden.
    I agree that these, our brothers and sisters, who diligently lined up to do “their part” based on the perceived safety, or good of us all, should be compensated for the harms they have suffered on behalf of us all. We still benefit from the knowledge gained through their sacrifices.
    Re the Church encouraging the vaccines: yes for many many people the vaccines have been “safe and effective.” (It is presumed words have different definitions depending on the industry). But sometimes I wonder, if one of the “hundred reasons” the Church has recommended them is because it 1) it is “safe and effective” for most people and 2) because it is a good PR move to improve/maintain the reputation of being good global citizens so that our meeting houses and Temples can continue to operate – as has been noted many times. Perhaps the Brethren *did* see, or were aware that some would be harmed – devastatingly so – but in the effort to keep the Gospel rolling forth, there would be collateral damage …we’ve always been told we would be severely tested.
    I mean no disrespect with these musings; they are honest thoughts.

  13. My wife and I have had a series of conversations lately about the way President Nelson keeps saying “ravages of the pandemic.” More and more, it seems that he’s not really talking about COVID. There are a lot of things being “ravaged” because of the “pandemic,” and getting into hardened side-taking over vaccines represents one such societal “ravaging” currently ongoing. There are major societal shifts afoot, for those willing to broaden their perspective.

  14. Here’s my take on the FP letters seemingly controversial parts:
    The pandemic ends when our population is immunized (their words, they specifically didn’t say vaccinated).

    To that end they encourage people to get vaccinated as vaccines have been shown as effective to prevent severe covid and death.

    They ended it with a bonus bit about following wise council. Good enough, only a fool chooses to follow foolish council.

    It would be foolish for someone to have natural immunity and get vaccinated, if you wanted my council… I’ve never considered getting my kids the chicken pox vaccine a couple months after they got chicken pox…

    In any case, we can see how prescient the letter was, unbeknownst to the FP. You will not get immunity from the vaccine. This only ends when we are mostly immune. The vaccine will help you not die of covid. So when you get it, you’ll be immune with lower risk of dying.

    That’s surely a twisted reading. But it’s more twisted to say a vaccine that had more adverse reactions then all vaccines in history and doesn’t confer immunity is “safe and effective”.

    That being said, I do not speak out in my ward about the vaccine council. I do believe it’s at least slightly wrong in a narrow sense, and potentially misses the big picture in another sense. Clearly there are machinations at work behind the scenes beyond making sure ICUs don’t fill up. What can I say? I don’t just give the benefit of the doubt to people who actively develop weapons and train to destroy the world, and watch porn all day in their spare time. Simplification, but hope you get the idea.

    The truth is always more important than any conspiracy fact. The truth is Christ went to his death at the hands of tyrants and conspiracy (who literally argued that its better for him to die as an adverse reaction, to turn a phrase, than a nation perish). The truth is pretty much all of his closest followers also went to a terrible death. He promised peace and they died horrendous deaths.

    What kind of faith do latter-day saints have? Theological twinkies? Or faith to follow Christ to the cross.

    Pres. Nelson’s urging was for a variety of reasons and he may have been too trusting. Or it may be because this marginally effective vaccine is still the best case we have against what could turn out to be an engineered virus that will have even worse side effects in the long run than the vaccine.

    But I agree, the more we know, the less this vaccine seems effective. Which is all the scarier that governments seem to be doubling down even more anyway.

    But here’s the rub. Christ laid his hands down willingly and looked on as they nailed him to a cross, able to stop it in a moment. He looked on as they did the same to Peter. He looks in as worse is done every day. Am I to excuse that but get mad at a trusting doctor, leader of the church for trusting imperfect scientists and lobbyists?

    The reason why Christ bears all those burdens and more is because he knows that’s not the end and will lift us that much higher out through the tragedy. I have no problem looking to Christ through this mess, even as our prophet follows him and leads us through the valley of the shadow of death.

  15. Sute – does the cold end when we are all immunized? There has been an awful lot of magical-like thinking around COVID narratives . The idea that this will end seems like an especially strong one. Utopian hopes are however a great way to get people to do “just one more thing”. The cultura war was won on this logic.

    With respect to COVID sunk cost fallacies are very strong. This been exasperated by their moralization and their lynchpin role in authoritarian legitimizations. That’s partly why counter-narratives are so dangerous, and why there’s been such polarization between individualists and collectivists.

    But it is interesting to see so many rational people caught up in the throes of Utopianism. Pragmatism this is not.

  16. Chris g
    Yes, effectively the threat from the cold ends. You’ll note that 99% of the native tribes in South America didn’t have immunity to the cold and they died.

    Immunity consists of your body recognizing a virus that is spreading inside it and fighting it off. It does not consist of never having the viral particles enter you in the first place.

    That’s one of my problems with a pcr test. Who cares if you can find virus particles when you amplify the results a billion times. It doesn’t mean I’m sick.

  17. I think you highly overestimate people’s ability (/willingness?) to change their opinion once they have well based reasons for it.

    Mainstream media tells one side of the story, true, but it’s also the side of the story the majority tends to believe in. Just because some data will suggest there are side effects more severe than initially admitted to, won’t change the mainstream’s opinion of the vaccine.

    I honestly wish the “fallout” you predict will happen. It would be so healthy for society to integrate also the marginalized voices, but I highly doubt any of that will happen.

    The past has shown that these voices will be suppressed, ridiculed, or even silenced.

  18. Hachenbird, you are of course correct that these voices will be suppressed, ridiculed or silenced. The same thing happened regarding people like myself who opposed the lockdowns 18 months ago. But have you noticed that most people in the US don’t support lockdowns anymore, and certainly not school closings? These were major issues in the New Jersey and Virginia elections on Nov. 2, with many motivated voters saying they opposed the Dems because of their policies on COVID.

    The “fallout” is likely to be slow and involve anecdotal stories at first. I know four people personally (not on-line but IRL) who have had long-lasting negative reactions to the vaccines. Let’s say you are a big vaccine supporter. And then you have one friend who has myocarditis. And then you read about Eric Clapton:

    Then you read about the woman on Twitter who was so proud of her 14-year-old deciding to get vaccinated, and then he developed myocarditis. (This really happened, and now the woman has apologized on Twitter for attacking vaccine hesitant people). And then you hear about a 60-year-old man who dies from COVID despite being fully vaccinated.

    That fallout comes from the accumulating evidence. That is what starts peoples’ minds changing. And some of them will blame the Church for supporting vaccines. That is what I am worried about.

  19. Sute, we’ve all had the cold and have become immunized as a result (like you say), but we still get it, and people still die from it. Our prior infections are decently effective against really severe infections but not great at preventing minor ones.

    Thus it would seem like over time Covid Infection severity will drop into bad cold/flu terrain while vax booster issues will worsen. That’s because
    1) vax illness seems pretty random
    2) vax illness issues seem to compound with prior infection or prior vaccinations
    3) healthy kids with no real Covid worries are at higher vax risks. Thus their effects tilt more to vax illness stories than Covid illness stories.

    This should mean Geoff’s “fallout” is highly likely. The Covid severity perception curve is sloped down (probably linearly). Vax effect perceptions are sloped up. And, they are up slightly exponentially due to compounding risks, kid differentials, and the way we interpret frequency issues.

    (There’s a specific heuristic for this frequency effect but I’m avoiding word salads)

  20. Geoff: I read that the big-pharma-approved drugs coming on the market for treatment of Covid are also going to change the vaccine dynamics.

    molnupiravir and paxlovid, are new/recent ones.

    Fluvoxamine, an SSRI anti-depressant, is also getting a look.

    I think this might give the media a partial cover to move away from slavering over the vaccines. But that remains to be seen.

    As is said, “follow the money”. I really wonder if big-pharma was able to exert influence to quash/discount/hinder/bury the reporting of any good study results with hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin and ivermectin….. or if the studies/reports that did sneak through were cherry-picked/exaggerated/narrow cases.

    Isn’t it “interesting” that only the really expensive treatments seem to work, according to “established authorities” ?

    If fluvoxamine (recently touted as effective in one study) is inexpensive, I bet it won’t get approved.

    Moderna doesn’t have any products except their vaccine, so far, so they are not a big tv advertiser.

    But Pfizer and J&J have lots of consumer products. I don’t watch TV, so can someone say whether Pfizer and JJ do a lot of TV advertising? Could that be one reason why the tv media supports the vaccines so much, being beholden to them for the ad revenue?

  21. Book, I am hoping the new big pharma drugs work well so we can get away from the ridiculous vaccine mandates. It seems like there are many possible way to attack this virus now — vaccines, pills, monoclonal anti-bodies, and probably ivermectin and other less expensive solutions. Good ol’ vitamin D certainly also seems to help, as does losing weight and taking zinc and magnesium. I am in favor of people doing whatever they need to do to protect themselves — I just don’t want anybody else telling me I must take certain drugs or vaccines.

    There WILL be disappointment regarding the vaccines, however. Have you noticed that Gavin Newsom, California governor, has disappeared since the day he took a booster shot? The guy was omni-present and now he has been gone for more than a week. There are lots of rumors out there that he had some kind of severe reaction to the vaccine booster shot. Maybe he will turn up tomorrow completely healthy, but his disappearance is very strange. There will be a lot more of that in the coming weeks.

  22. BYU’s center is out with cardiovascular issues. It’s probably from the vaccine. Several athletes dropped dead recently, so they have to be careful when anyone shows any signs of cardiovascular issues.

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