About rameumptom

Gerald (Rameumptom) Smith is a student of the gospel. Joining the Church of Jesus Christ when he was 16, he served a mission in Santa Cruz Bolivia (1978=1980). He is married to Ramona, has 3 stepchildren and 7 grandchildren. Retired Air Force (Aim High!). He has been on the Internet since 1986 when only colleges and military were online. Gerald has defended the gospel since the 1980s, and was on the first Latter-Day Saint email lists, including the late Bill Hamblin's Morm-Ant. Gerald has worked with FairMormon, More Good Foundation, LDS.Net and other pro-LDS online groups. He has blogged on the scriptures for over a decade at his site: Joel's Monastery (joelsmonastery.blogspot.com). He has the following degrees: AAS Computer Management, BS Resource Mgmt, MA Teaching/History. Gerald was the leader for the Tuskegee Alabama group, prior to it becoming a branch. He opened the door for missionary work to African Americans in Montgomery Alabama in the 1980s. He's served in two bishoprics, stake clerk, high council, HP group leader and several other callings over the years. While on his mission, he served as a counselor in a branch Relief Society presidency.

Answering a Crook, part 2

Here’s the second part of answering the questions of Ex-Mormon Michael Crook (from his website).

Yet, a Church employee in the Member Records and Statistics department confirmed to me that “an arrangement [they are] happy with” is that members who request removal are moved to a “confidential” status. Another Church employee confirmed that such records never removed from the system. They are moved into a sort of “Recycle Bin,” but never deleted, and are thus included in the membership stastistics. The same is said to go for those who have been excommunicated.

The Church does remove all these from its membership records. Period.  That they keep a record of them, in case some choose to return, is also true.  They do this to ensure people are not be baptized/excommunicated on a routine basis by simply moving from one area to another.  I would be surprised if other churches do not do this also.

If God’s word does not change, how is it that multiple revisionshave been made to The Book of Mormon?

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Answering a Crook

Michael Crook is an ex-Mormon with a website that claims he will soon have the video of the endowment on his site. I hope the Church’s lawyers take note and pay him a visit for copyright issues.

On his page, he has a list of questions. I would like to address at least some of them.  Part of the reason is to show just how disingenuous his questions tend to be, for one.  Secondly, to show how old some of his questions are, and have been answered many times in the past.

If Heavenly Father was once a man like we are today, then how does his lineage trace back to a Heavenly Father, or God, being forever? Who created the first Heavenly Father, and then who created that deity, and so forth? Such a belief is not supported by science, logic, or common sense.

Such reasoning also can be asked of the traditional God, who has always existed, even before time and space.  The answer: we do not know. But that does not mean there isn’t an answer.  It is basically like asking a scientist what happened 1 billion years before the Big Bang.  They can conjecture, but the reality is, there is no answer to such a hypothetical. The Big Bang as a beginning ends any testing on what existence, space, etc., may have been prior to it. Continue reading

Book Club: Nibley’s An Approach to the BoM ch 4

Chapter 4 – Lehi as a Representative Man

We now are going to get into the meat of the BoM with its very first prophet.  It is an interesting chapter in that it gives us a glimpse of what Lehi’s former life  may have been all about.

“In the brief compass of Nephi’s account, which is an abridgment of his father’s own journal, whose type it imitates and continues”

By the time Nephi writes his short plates, 20 years have passed.  Lehi likely has been dead many years.  Do the short plates actually show an abridgement of Lehi’s journal?  Or would that likely be found on Nephi’s large plates?  As it is, we do not see much of Lehi beyond his visions and blessings given to his children.

“The opening verse of the Book of Mormon explains the expression “goodly parents” not so much in a moral sense as in a social one”

This is an interesting point to make on a book that focuses primarily on the spiritual.  Are we to presume that Lehi may not always have been a very “active” religious person until his calling?  Often we think of prophets as having been holy and wonderful since their youth (like Samuel the prophet).  Yet, many prophets were called out from normal life and into their mission: Moses, Jacob, Peter, etc.  Isaiah went from being a powerful counselor in the King’s palace to a wild prophet that spent a year running around naked!

Lehi may very well have spent most of his life as a merchant, traveling to many distant places.  Then, in his later years, settled down to enjoy his wealth, was suddenly called to his mission from a burning pillar of fire.  In fact, we see that Lehi’s family is startled by this big change in his demeanor and style, as they begin to call him a visionary man, and perhaps even deranged.

There are some who doubt Lehi was a merchant that traveled everywhere.  After looking at the evidence, I still think Nibley was right on this account.

Nibley compares Lehi to other wise men of the period: Solon, Thales, etc.  Many of these spoke against the excesses of the period.  Each was a prophet to his own people, while traveling extensively.  It sounds like this was the description of the leading man of the period.  Wise counselors that traveled around were the heroes of the period.

Then, Nibley contrasts Lehi with the others.  All of them used philosophy to find reason and joy in life. Perhaps Lehi was like this most of his life.  What was the difference then?  Lehi has a vision of the throne room with God.  He is invited to join the divine council.  They give him the divine book, and as he reads it, he is able to speak with the tongue of the angels in the great council.  Lehi no longer has to look for answers just among men, for God will later reveal to him the Tree of Life and the fruit that brings true joy.

When we consider the names of some of the major Greek philosophical groups, such as Cynics and Stoics, we can plainly see that their methodology and philosophy fell far short of happiness.

The philosophers and religious founders of the era sought answers horizontally.  Once God revealed himself to Lehi, the prophet could find answers vertically  through revelation.  Perhaps when Nephi teaches his people in a way different than that of the Jews, he may have been referring to the difference between horizontal and vertical religion.

 

John Lynch: Why I Still Choose to Believe

John Lynch, one of the bigwigs at the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research (FAIR) posted a blog post entitled “Why I still choose to believe”.

In the post, he notes the topics discussed at the recently concluded FAIR Conference.  He then discusses beyond this all the evidences he’s seen over the 14 years he’s been involved with FAIR.  He recognizes that not all issues have answers, and he shares some very poignant and difficult issues he’s had to deal with personally.

Knowing what he does and doesn’t know, his answer to the world is that he chooses to believe, and then the Lord invariably blesses him with a witness that he’s chosen correctly.

We find such concepts expressed frequently in the Book of Mormon.  In Alma 32, the prophet teaches the poor who have been compelled to be humble that if they only have a desire to believe, the Lord can have the seed grow, and they can experience the growth of the seed.
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