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	<title>Comments on: The Lynchpin: The Doctrine of Divine Investiture</title>
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		<title>By: Ben Pratt</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/the-lynchpin-the-doctrine-of-divine-investiture/comment-page-1/#comment-45760</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point about rejectionists, though if you haven&#039;t already, you should definitely talk to Geoff J. sometime about what he calls &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2009/09/good-theology/1367/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good theology&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point about rejectionists, though if you haven&#8217;t already, you should definitely talk to Geoff J. sometime about what he calls <a href="http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2009/09/good-theology/1367/" rel="nofollow">good theology</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Mormons as Modalists The Millennial Star</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/the-lynchpin-the-doctrine-of-divine-investiture/comment-page-1/#comment-45758</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Mormons as Modalists The Millennial Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In my last post, I discussed how Divine Investiture is the lynchpin of all Mormon Doctrine of Deity and probably of all Mormon Doctrines period.  Even non-Mormon theology, if it lacks Divine Investiture, is often logically inconsistent. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In my last post, I discussed how Divine Investiture is the lynchpin of all Mormon Doctrine of Deity and probably of all Mormon Doctrines period.  Even non-Mormon theology, if it lacks Divine Investiture, is often logically inconsistent. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Nielson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Nielson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I don&#039;t know. I think the only thing we can say for sure is that Karen Armstrong interprets Gregory of Nyssa that way. 

I think the dichotomy of &quot;it&#039;s a way to draw near to God&quot; vs. &quot;it&#039;s really true&quot; is false. The reason Gregory felt closer to God via this formula seems to be precisely because he believed in it and it told him something that was important to him. So at a minimum, I agree with Armstrong that we should think of our theologies as poetic and as a way to draw near to God. But I don’t think that means we should stop thinking of them as true.

Furthermore, those that believe in the “it’s not really true, it’s just a way to draw nearer to God” tend to be rejectionists. They came from a believing point of view and somehow manage to maintain the value of beliefs without actually believing them any more. I doubt that approach to religion is effective for the vast majority of people nor over generations. (Actually, we have pretty good proof it’s not.) I think beliefs were meant to be believed.

Eastern Orthodox, like Mormons, believe in a form of Theosis, so it makes me wonder if they also saw the Trinity as a way of understanding both the literal Godhood of Jesus as well as how God will make us one with Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t know. I think the only thing we can say for sure is that Karen Armstrong interprets Gregory of Nyssa that way. </p>
<p>I think the dichotomy of &#8220;it&#8217;s a way to draw near to God&#8221; vs. &#8220;it&#8217;s really true&#8221; is false. The reason Gregory felt closer to God via this formula seems to be precisely because he believed in it and it told him something that was important to him. So at a minimum, I agree with Armstrong that we should think of our theologies as poetic and as a way to draw near to God. But I don’t think that means we should stop thinking of them as true.</p>
<p>Furthermore, those that believe in the “it’s not really true, it’s just a way to draw nearer to God” tend to be rejectionists. They came from a believing point of view and somehow manage to maintain the value of beliefs without actually believing them any more. I doubt that approach to religion is effective for the vast majority of people nor over generations. (Actually, we have pretty good proof it’s not.) I think beliefs were meant to be believed.</p>
<p>Eastern Orthodox, like Mormons, believe in a form of Theosis, so it makes me wonder if they also saw the Trinity as a way of understanding both the literal Godhood of Jesus as well as how God will make us one with Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Pratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. So for Gregory of Nyssa, could we say the doctrine of Trinity is less a model of the nature of God than it is a method of drawing near unto God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. So for Gregory of Nyssa, could we say the doctrine of Trinity is less a model of the nature of God than it is a method of drawing near unto God?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Nielson</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/the-lynchpin-the-doctrine-of-divine-investiture/comment-page-1/#comment-45742</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Nielson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This quote is from an interview by Krista Tippets (Speaking of Faith) with Karen Armstrong. It seemed to relate to my Divine Investiture post, so I wanted to capture it:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Gregory of Nyssa.. is 4th century, a wonderful mystic. And he... formulated the Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Trinity. And he said, first of all, this doctrine can only be understood in a ritual context and in the context of prayer and contemplation. It&#039;s not something like an equation that you can just follow rational. But he said, &quot;When I think of the three I think of the one. When I think of the one I think of the three. And then my eyes feel with tears and I lose all sense of where I am.&quot; And that&#039;s a theological formulation of the Trinity should do to us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This quote is from an interview by Krista Tippets (Speaking of Faith) with Karen Armstrong. It seemed to relate to my Divine Investiture post, so I wanted to capture it:</p>
<blockquote><p>Gregory of Nyssa.. is 4th century, a wonderful mystic. And he&#8230; formulated the Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Trinity. And he said, first of all, this doctrine can only be understood in a ritual context and in the context of prayer and contemplation. It&#8217;s not something like an equation that you can just follow rational. But he said, &#8220;When I think of the three I think of the one. When I think of the one I think of the three. And then my eyes feel with tears and I lose all sense of where I am.&#8221; And that&#8217;s a theological formulation of the Trinity should do to us.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on the Trinity &#124; Junior Ganymede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoughts on the Trinity &#124; Junior Ganymede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an interview by Krista Tippets (Speaking of Faith) with Karen Armstrong. It seemed to relate to my Divine Investiture post, so I wanted to capture it. Gregory of Nyssa.. is 4th century, a wonderful mystic. And he&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an interview by Krista Tippets (Speaking of Faith) with Karen Armstrong. It seemed to relate to my Divine Investiture post, so I wanted to capture it. Gregory of Nyssa.. is 4th century, a wonderful mystic. And he&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bruce for another enlightening post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bruce for another enlightening post.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Nielson</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/the-lynchpin-the-doctrine-of-divine-investiture/comment-page-1/#comment-45736</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Nielson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ben.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ben.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Pratt</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/the-lynchpin-the-doctrine-of-divine-investiture/comment-page-1/#comment-45732</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You too, Lord Vader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You too, Lord Vader.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Pratt</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/the-lynchpin-the-doctrine-of-divine-investiture/comment-page-1/#comment-45731</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, have I mentioned how much I like having you around M*?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, have I mentioned how much I like having you around M*?</p>
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