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	<title>Comments on: Stake Book of Mormon reading program and the role of mysticism and logic</title>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Book, good points.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Book, good points.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff: Mysticism and mystical are good title words to bring in the navel-gazers via the LDS blog aggregators.  ;-)

In my view, mystical and magical are just other words, though not entirely accurate, that people try to apply to spiritual, miraculous and divine.  Sometimes I&#039;ve used the word &lt;i&gt;magical&lt;/i&gt; to convey a sense of awe and wonder about religious topics. 

I think I&#039;ve started to understand why General Authorities in the recent past have spoken out somewhat against intellectualism.  The gospel is a feeling. It&#039;s closer to an emotional thing than a mental thing.  The breadth of the various dimensions of what&#039;s been revealed so far about the gospel (of Jesus Christ) cannot be fully comprehended via intellectual means, because intellectual/mental efforts only view a limited spectrum of limited dimensions of the gospel.

Perhaps we use mystical as a loose synonym for spiritual, a shortcut to bridge understanding, much like Ammon agreed with Lamoni that God was The Great Spirit: not entirely accurate, but close enough to get the discussion rolling. 

IQ smarts are not enough to digest, understand and comprehend the gospel of Jesus Christ.  Great numbers of highly intelligent people subscribe to a wide variety of religions, and a wide variety of Christ-believing religions.

The retort I want to make when I read atheists condescendingly and antagonistically accuse Christians as being stupid for believing in the supernatural is that, logically, such an accusation applies against almost all religions.  Yet the anti-Christian atheists rarely direct similar invectives to Jews, Buddhists, Siks and Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff: Mysticism and mystical are good title words to bring in the navel-gazers via the LDS blog aggregators.  <img src='http://www.millennialstar.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In my view, mystical and magical are just other words, though not entirely accurate, that people try to apply to spiritual, miraculous and divine.  Sometimes I&#8217;ve used the word <i>magical</i> to convey a sense of awe and wonder about religious topics. </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve started to understand why General Authorities in the recent past have spoken out somewhat against intellectualism.  The gospel is a feeling. It&#8217;s closer to an emotional thing than a mental thing.  The breadth of the various dimensions of what&#8217;s been revealed so far about the gospel (of Jesus Christ) cannot be fully comprehended via intellectual means, because intellectual/mental efforts only view a limited spectrum of limited dimensions of the gospel.</p>
<p>Perhaps we use mystical as a loose synonym for spiritual, a shortcut to bridge understanding, much like Ammon agreed with Lamoni that God was The Great Spirit: not entirely accurate, but close enough to get the discussion rolling. </p>
<p>IQ smarts are not enough to digest, understand and comprehend the gospel of Jesus Christ.  Great numbers of highly intelligent people subscribe to a wide variety of religions, and a wide variety of Christ-believing religions.</p>
<p>The retort I want to make when I read atheists condescendingly and antagonistically accuse Christians as being stupid for believing in the supernatural is that, logically, such an accusation applies against almost all religions.  Yet the anti-Christian atheists rarely direct similar invectives to Jews, Buddhists, Siks and Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/stake-book-of-mormon-reading-program-and-the-role-of-mysticism-and-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39639</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark, my point is that this is sometimes how we describe it to our youth:  &quot;read the Book of Mormon and something marvelous will happen to you.&quot;  Well, if you haven&#039;t had a testimony by the power of the Holy Ghost, this seems like a mystical experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark, my point is that this is sometimes how we describe it to our youth:  &#8220;read the Book of Mormon and something marvelous will happen to you.&#8221;  Well, if you haven&#8217;t had a testimony by the power of the Holy Ghost, this seems like a mystical experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, there&#039;s the ideal, and then there&#039;s the reality.  You can join the church at 18 and go on a full-time mission at 19.  And it may be a bit much to ask an 18 year old college freshman to read the BoM in addition to all his course-work.

Requiring the reading of the whole BoM would be a good policy for those who are baptized at 8 and remain continuously active.  But what&#039;s the _doctrine_ on the matter?  What were the missionary requirements in 35 AD ?  Did they have to read the entire Old Testament?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, there&#8217;s the ideal, and then there&#8217;s the reality.  You can join the church at 18 and go on a full-time mission at 19.  And it may be a bit much to ask an 18 year old college freshman to read the BoM in addition to all his course-work.</p>
<p>Requiring the reading of the whole BoM would be a good policy for those who are baptized at 8 and remain continuously active.  But what&#8217;s the _doctrine_ on the matter?  What were the missionary requirements in 35 AD ?  Did they have to read the entire Old Testament?</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Goble</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/stake-book-of-mormon-reading-program-and-the-role-of-mysticism-and-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39635</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Goble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We sometimes seem to take the “mystical” approach — if you read the Book of Mormon you will have a mysterious, inexplicable response.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think in the right circumstances there will be an effect but I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d call it mystical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We sometimes seem to take the “mystical” approach — if you read the Book of Mormon you will have a mysterious, inexplicable response.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think in the right circumstances there will be an effect but I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d call it mystical.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a much-younger brother who is serving a mission right now, and I was rather surprised to hear that quite a few elders in his MTC group hadn&#039;t ever read the Book of Mormon. Seems to me they could raise the bar a bit more and at least have these kids know what they&#039;re teaching. Is there a question in the missionary application that asks whether the applicant has read the whole book? I would find it difficult to apply for the licensure required of missionaries in many countries if the applicant hadn&#039;t even read the Book of Mormon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a much-younger brother who is serving a mission right now, and I was rather surprised to hear that quite a few elders in his MTC group hadn&#8217;t ever read the Book of Mormon. Seems to me they could raise the bar a bit more and at least have these kids know what they&#8217;re teaching. Is there a question in the missionary application that asks whether the applicant has read the whole book? I would find it difficult to apply for the licensure required of missionaries in many countries if the applicant hadn&#8217;t even read the Book of Mormon.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/stake-book-of-mormon-reading-program-and-the-role-of-mysticism-and-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39610</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my summary and testimony of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://indybooks.blogspot.com/2007/03/book-of-mormon-is-revelation-from-god.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my summary and testimony of the <a href="http://indybooks.blogspot.com/2007/03/book-of-mormon-is-revelation-from-god.html" rel="nofollow">Book of Mormon</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Pratt</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/stake-book-of-mormon-reading-program-and-the-role-of-mysticism-and-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39608</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In some ways I&#039;m a poster boy of the mystical side of Book of Mormon effects. I&#039;ve had a testimony of the BoM since I was a child, and it&#039;s been reconfirmed many times over. The book, its message, and its provenance have each had a profoundly spiritual influence on my life and its course.

In some ways I&#039;m a poster boy of the logical side of Book of Mormon effects. I&#039;ve been overwhelmed time after time with the internal consistency, puzzling questions, and impossible* origin of the Book of Mormon. The book, its message, and its provenance have each had a profoundly practical influence on my life and its course.

*Luke 1:37</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some ways I&#8217;m a poster boy of the mystical side of Book of Mormon effects. I&#8217;ve had a testimony of the BoM since I was a child, and it&#8217;s been reconfirmed many times over. The book, its message, and its provenance have each had a profoundly spiritual influence on my life and its course.</p>
<p>In some ways I&#8217;m a poster boy of the logical side of Book of Mormon effects. I&#8217;ve been overwhelmed time after time with the internal consistency, puzzling questions, and impossible* origin of the Book of Mormon. The book, its message, and its provenance have each had a profoundly practical influence on my life and its course.</p>
<p>*<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/1/37#37" title="LDS Scriptures Internet Edition: Luke 1:37">Luke 1:37</a></p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/stake-book-of-mormon-reading-program-and-the-role-of-mysticism-and-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39606</link>
		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a big fan of the read the Book of Mormon as fast as you can club. For example, read the BofM in 45 days program.  I can see the merit of such an idea, but  I prefer the nice and slow way your stake is going about it. Sometimes it is better to stop and ponder the meaning of a particular scripture. 

 I have not experienced a profound spiritual experience in regards to the Book of MOrmon as a whole, but have received answers or impressions about certain passages. My testimony is logical. Joseph Smith could not have written that book as a young man on the frontier with limited education and experiences; unless he was inspired of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a big fan of the read the Book of Mormon as fast as you can club. For example, read the BofM in 45 days program.  I can see the merit of such an idea, but  I prefer the nice and slow way your stake is going about it. Sometimes it is better to stop and ponder the meaning of a particular scripture. </p>
<p> I have not experienced a profound spiritual experience in regards to the Book of MOrmon as a whole, but have received answers or impressions about certain passages. My testimony is logical. Joseph Smith could not have written that book as a young man on the frontier with limited education and experiences; unless he was inspired of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve EM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve EM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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