http://www.captivefldschildren.org/

- Calls on 3/29 & 30 produced an emergency;
- This emergency was for one person, Sarah;
- Sheriff Doran has stated he was preparing for 4 years;
- The populatin at YFZ was estimated to be 1-200;
- They rounded up a 700 man army for the raid;
- 4 days later they went in to solve this immediate emergency.

Now, is Sarah that “someone calls up screaming” that created an emergency?

One has to wonder WHEN they decided Sarah’s situation was an emergency, if Sarah was THE emergency or if Sarah’s call was the “Probable Cause” Sheriff Doran had been waiting 4 years to get.

Now that we finally are getting some facts out about what happened here I agree Texas vastly overstepped things.

But let’s be honest. If someone calls up screaming they’ve been kidnapped to 911 do you really think the police aren’t going to go to that address prepared? One big scandal here is the abuse by the prankster. Anyone can create a prank that the police would be gravely amiss if they didn’t take seriously.

So while I understand your concern there, realize that it is inherently a problem in any system. Lies can cause great harm. that’s why due process is so important. What bothered (and bothers) me is the claim there was no due process. It seems to me that events yesterday and today, for all their flaws, is showing that there is due process and that the system works.

–Clearly some of the things that were going on in the FLDS are apparently horrible by most moral standards, and you were right to remind people of those things.
–But Guy’s point — and I think this is even more true now — is that unchecked government intrusion into familial relationships is a very big concern.

The bottom line is that the way that Utah and AZ were dealing with the problem showed understanding that the state should be very careful in how it involves itself in familial relationships. Yes, abuse should be investigated. But the ham-handed approach by the Texas authorities is shocking and a horrible precedent of government abuse.

I think we need to remind ourselves that the likelihood that we personally could ever suffer because of FLDS abuse is minimal. However, the possibility that some overbearing government official could decide somehow to insert himself into our family lives is increasing. All you need is an anonymous (erroneous) complaint, and the storm troopers are breaking down your doors and carting off your children. That is truly scary.

Voss is looking very, very bad. I said it evidence came out of Texan malfeasance I’d join the chorus attacking them. If that’s the best they can do then consider me singing with the chorus.

I still stand by my statement that people were leaping to judgment. But now that the facts are coming out Texas is looking very, very bad. The AG should lose his job over this not to mention Voss.

Couple thought before I respond to Clarks post;

1. Why was the FBI involved so quickly?

2. Could the YFZ WANT a bigamy charge[s] in the state that has to allow men (not limit on number) to do as they please behind closed doors?

Now on what we learned about Sarah today;

FLDS men met them at the ranch gate, where the investigators asked about the girl… men shook their heads and said she wasn’t there, Voss said; or

Officials have said they do not know if Sarah is in state custody. Court documents say the girl spoke of becoming the seventh wife of a 50-year-old man named “Dale”"… with the last name added in the next sentence of that affidavit!!!!!!!

Asked about the Sarah who called the shelter, the girls said they didn’t know which one she was among several Sarahs on the ranch, Voss said. Later, though, some of the girls said they knew the Sarah investigators were seeking, but hadn’t seen her for about a week.

Let’s hope that it was a fraudulent call and not someone who has been kidnapped or worse.

I have intentionally not watched the TV. I’d put it on once and they were conflating Mormons and FLDS. TV news is, in general, so universally bad I’m surprised anyone bothers watching.