Comments on: Rising Out of Obscurity: Sephardic Jews and the LDS Connection http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:51:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JA Benson http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-83463 JA Benson Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:26:42 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=1887#comment-83463 Thanks for stopping by Larry. Enjoy the journey! Thanks for stopping by Larry. Enjoy the journey!

]]> By: Larry http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-83370 Larry Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:43:32 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=1887#comment-83370 I find the posts and information here very interesting and helpful. I too am LDS but inactive at the time. My grandmothers family immigrated to California from the Azores in late 1880's. Reviewing my family history I found that most of our names were on lists of Sephardi origin. As one dot connected to the other a member of our family had the Y line tested through Family Tree DNA. Haplogroup is certainly J2. My family originally came from Portugal then to the Azores. Not much mixture according to the DNA and what I know. As our results were studied there is most likely a Sephardic connection. I never expected this nor knew anything about the Portuguese Jews that were forced to convert nor the number. I grew up in the Portuguese culture here in California and never heard it mentioned. All very interesting. We plan to incorporate some of the Sephardi tradition. Thanks for all the info,links etc... I find the posts and information here very interesting and helpful. I too am LDS but inactive at the time.
My grandmothers family immigrated to California from the Azores in late 1880′s. Reviewing my family history I found that most of our names were on lists of Sephardi origin. As one dot connected to the other a member of our family had the Y line tested through Family Tree DNA. Haplogroup is certainly J2. My family originally came from Portugal then to the Azores. Not much mixture according to the DNA and what I know. As our results were studied there is most likely a Sephardic connection. I never expected this nor knew anything about the Portuguese Jews that were forced to convert nor the number. I grew up in the Portuguese culture here in California and never heard it mentioned. All very interesting. We plan to incorporate some of the Sephardi tradition.
Thanks for all the info,links etc…

]]> By: Dave Schroeder http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-70764 Dave Schroeder Sat, 02 Jul 2011 01:24:38 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=1887#comment-70764 Hi David: I just went to the DNATribes site and found where the aftermarket analysis is for SNP data. Click on "Order", on the menu bar at the top of the home page. When it comes up, scroll down to the bottom and in the yellow highlighted box (Other Orders), click on the third choice "For SNP genotype analysis, click here". I filled out the Grandparents form to get the 50 dollar discount. I had forgotten that the monthly fee had risen to 9 dollars. I now remember it being mentioned on the blogs. I also have slightly above average Neanderthal. There is a thread at 23andme where people were comparing their scores. Average was 12, and I was 13. The highest was an individual who scored 19. He was the one who kindly ran the analysis on my autosomal data for the Neanderthal score. Hi David:

I just went to the DNATribes site and found where the aftermarket analysis is for SNP data. Click on “Order”, on the menu bar at the top of the home page. When it comes up, scroll down to the bottom and in the yellow highlighted box (Other Orders), click on the third choice “For SNP genotype analysis, click here”. I filled out the Grandparents form to get the 50 dollar discount.

I had forgotten that the monthly fee had risen to 9 dollars. I now remember it being mentioned on the blogs.

I also have slightly above average Neanderthal. There is a thread at 23andme where people were comparing their scores. Average was 12, and I was 13. The highest was an individual who scored 19. He was the one who kindly ran the analysis on my autosomal data for the Neanderthal score.

]]> By: DavidC http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-70746 DavidC Fri, 01 Jul 2011 17:25:01 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=1887#comment-70746 Dave, The 23andme updates are now $9 per month. Where can I find the DNATribes after market analysis? FWIW, I like FamilyTreeDNA.com, where I'm involved in several projects. Also FWIW, I learned from a thread at 23andme that I have neanderthals in my line, who I now consider to be part of my pioneer ancestors. Thanks, DC Dave,

The 23andme updates are now $9 per month.

Where can I find the DNATribes after market analysis?

FWIW, I like FamilyTreeDNA.com, where I’m involved in several projects.

Also FWIW, I learned from a thread at 23andme that I have neanderthals in my line, who I now consider to be part of my pioneer ancestors.

Thanks,
DC

]]> By: Dave Schroeder http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-70733 Dave Schroeder Fri, 01 Jul 2011 12:12:40 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=1887#comment-70733 Hi Paul: Forgot to mention that www.23andme.com autosomal analysis is 99 dollars, plus a mandatory 5 dollars a month, for 1 year, for updates. All the info on pricing is at their website. Yesterday they introduced an upgraded Relative Finder (RF) feature, which everybody on their blogs is raving about. It's a huge improvement over their previous system. I have 437 relatives in my Relative Finder, many of whom I've contacted. Hi Paul:

Forgot to mention that http://www.23andme.com autosomal analysis is 99 dollars, plus a mandatory 5 dollars a month, for 1 year, for updates. All the info on pricing is at their website. Yesterday they introduced an upgraded Relative Finder (RF) feature, which everybody on their blogs is raving about. It’s a huge improvement over their previous system. I have 437 relatives in my Relative Finder, many of whom I’ve contacted.

]]> By: Dave Schroeder http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-70732 Dave Schroeder Fri, 01 Jul 2011 11:59:23 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=1887#comment-70732 Hi Paul: To have your Y-DNA tested, which is only carried by males, I would recommend www.familytree.com in Houston, Texas. They start at 12 markers, but go up to 111 markers in steps - 12, 25, 37, 67, and 111. This will establish what your Y-DNA haplogroup is. In general, Y haplogroup R1b predominates in western Europe, R1a in eastern Europe, I in Scandinavia, J (J1 and J2 subclades) in the Caucacus, Middle East, and Mediterranean, E1b in the Balkans, Mediterranean and Middle East. There are about 20 Y-DNA haplogroups, but I'm only mentioning the ones that are common in Europe and the nearby Middle East. For your autosomal DNA testing I would recommend www.23andme.com which I signed up with in December of last year. They test about 1 million SNP's (single nucleotide polymorphisms), and provide a much more accurate assessment of your population affiliations. Before going with them, I went with DNAtribes, which only uses from 15 to 27 STR markers. However, they recently added an after market analysis using 23andme, and other companies, SNP data to get a second opinion on your population affiliations. Hi Paul:

To have your Y-DNA tested, which is only carried by males, I would recommend http://www.familytree.com in Houston, Texas. They start at 12 markers, but go up to 111 markers in steps – 12, 25, 37, 67, and 111. This will establish what your Y-DNA haplogroup is. In general, Y haplogroup R1b predominates in western Europe, R1a in eastern Europe, I in Scandinavia, J (J1 and J2 subclades) in the Caucacus, Middle East, and Mediterranean, E1b in the Balkans, Mediterranean and Middle East. There are about 20 Y-DNA haplogroups, but I’m only mentioning the ones that are common in Europe and the nearby Middle East.

For your autosomal DNA testing I would recommend http://www.23andme.com which I signed up with in December of last year. They test about 1 million SNP’s (single nucleotide polymorphisms), and provide a much more accurate assessment of your population affiliations. Before going with them, I went with DNAtribes, which only uses from 15 to 27 STR markers. However, they recently added an after market analysis using 23andme, and other companies, SNP data to get a second opinion on your population affiliations.

]]> By: JA Benson http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-70725 JA Benson Fri, 01 Jul 2011 05:38:54 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=1887#comment-70725 Hi Paul, I think that my ancestors stayed in immigrant communities and did not mix with the native English peoples. Later in the series ( see comment # 12), I reveal Jewish clues that point to Sephardic Jewish ancestry. Thanks for stopping by to comment. Hi Paul,
I think that my ancestors stayed in immigrant communities and did not mix with the native English peoples. Later in the series ( see comment # 12), I reveal Jewish clues that point to Sephardic Jewish ancestry. Thanks for stopping by to comment.

]]> By: Paul http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-70716 Paul Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:52:24 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=1887#comment-70716 This is extremely interesting and frankly baffling as well. Would appear that the later English involvement in you history had no effect on the DNA, unless I am mistaken. It is difficult to understand how this is possible and encourages me to do the same and get DNA tested. Thanks for the post. This is extremely interesting and frankly baffling as well. Would appear that the later English involvement in you history had no effect on the DNA, unless I am mistaken. It is difficult to understand how this is possible and encourages me to do the same and get DNA tested. Thanks for the post.

]]> By: Stanley A. Fishler http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-67288 Stanley A. Fishler Wed, 06 Apr 2011 15:40:59 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=1887#comment-67288 My daughter Valerie Fishler sent me your very interesting article. I thought to write to you about my own family. My forbearers were Sephardic Jews, living in Spain for over a thousand years. Their name was Fiz, FizLores, then Fizler and finally Fishler. They came out of Spain in the late 1780's, ending up in the USA in the late 1880's settling in Chicago, IL. They became New Christians, Baptizos, Crypto Jews, either in the 1391 pogrom, when 50,000 Jews were killed, over 50,000 forcebly baptized to become Catholic or when the edict given by Isabella and Ferdinand "allowed" the baptized Jews to stay in Spain. My forbearers were Marranos, Hidden Jews, while still in Spain. I am a Jewish/Mormon, active in the LDS Church. You need to read the book by Stein, if you are not aware of it, "The Half-Jewish Book." As you may know there are tens of thousands of Marranos in New Mexico, Arizona, Texas,California. The two universities in those state are studying the subject, have tapes, etc.,etc. There are a number of books on the subject. Stan Fishler My daughter Valerie Fishler sent me your very interesting article. I thought to write to you about my own family. My forbearers were Sephardic Jews, living in Spain for over a thousand years. Their name was Fiz, FizLores, then Fizler and finally Fishler. They came out of Spain in the late 1780′s, ending up in the USA in the late 1880′s settling in Chicago, IL. They became New Christians, Baptizos, Crypto Jews, either in the 1391 pogrom, when 50,000 Jews were killed, over 50,000 forcebly baptized to become Catholic or when the edict given by Isabella and Ferdinand “allowed” the baptized Jews to stay in Spain. My forbearers were Marranos, Hidden Jews, while still in Spain. I am a Jewish/Mormon, active in the LDS Church. You need to read the book by Stein, if you are not aware of it, “The Half-Jewish Book.” As you may know there are tens of thousands of Marranos in New Mexico, Arizona, Texas,California. The two universities in those state are studying the subject, have tapes, etc.,etc. There are a number of books on the subject. Stan Fishler

]]> By: Dave Schroeder http://www.millennialstar.org/rising-out-of-obscurity-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-49832 Dave Schroeder Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:24:24 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=1887#comment-49832 Joanna, Will definitely post future findings. Right now our Schroeder patrilineal line only goes back to the birth of a gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather in 1705; a Johann Schroeder. We don't know anything about them before that. My closest genetic matche's line goes back a little further - late 1600s. Dave Schroeder Joanna, Will definitely post future findings. Right now our Schroeder patrilineal line only goes back to the birth of a gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather in 1705; a Johann Schroeder. We don’t know anything about them before that. My closest genetic matche’s line goes back a little further – late 1600s.

Dave Schroeder

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