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	<title>Comments on: Parley P. Pratt Jumps in Where John C. Fremont Didn&#8217;t Stop to Bob</title>
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		<title>By: Jared T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, cool excerpt, thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, cool excerpt, thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Pratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope one of Carvalho&#039;s drawings is of the twenty-three men trying to sink in the spring. That drawing would have totally gone viral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope one of Carvalho&#8217;s drawings is of the twenty-three men trying to sink in the spring. That drawing would have totally gone viral.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JA Benson&#039;s &quot;LDS and the Sephardic Connection&quot; series definitely crossed my mind while preparing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JA Benson&#8217;s &#8220;LDS and the Sephardic Connection&#8221; series definitely crossed my mind while preparing this.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I first ran into this swim party in Fred E. Woods&#039; &lt;i&gt;A Gamble in the Desert: the Mormon Mission in Las Vegas (1855-1857).&lt;/i&gt;  Prof. Woods acknowledges Ardis Parshall on the credits page as someone who led him to original source material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first ran into this swim party in Fred E. Woods&#8217; <i>A Gamble in the Desert: the Mormon Mission in Las Vegas (1855-1857).</i>  Prof. Woods acknowledges Ardis Parshall on the credits page as someone who led him to original source material.</p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solomon Nunes Carvalho&#039;s ancestry is a fascinating tale. The Nunes side of the family were prominently entrenched in the social and political arena of Portugal. Solomon&#039;s ancestor  Lisbon Nunes was a Crypto Jew, serving as the physician to the King. Lisbon was arrested and under torture, confessed that he and his family were practicing Jews. Many testified on his behalf and  the Nunes family were spared the punishment of being burned at the stake.  Their fortune was confiscated instead; Nunes secretly continued his covert Jewish practices.

 In the 1720&#039;s Lisbon  managed to smuggle his family and others to  safety in England. Lisbon took the name of Samuel and his wife became Rebecca.  In 1732-33  forty Sephardic Jews emigrated to  the colony of Georgia. When they arrived they found the colony  ill from  intestinal ailment and fever. Nunes and the other Spehards nursed the colony back to health. Despite the care  they received some sought to ban the Jewish pilgrims from settling in the Georgia Colony. The objections were overruled, and the  Jews were allowed to stay and own land. 

The Carvalho family also from Portugal were among the first Jewish settlers in Charleston South Carolina, a recognized Crypto and openly Jewish community. 

In the naming practices of the Sephardic peoples, if the mother and the father are both from prominent families, the children are given both the name of the mother and the family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solomon Nunes Carvalho&#8217;s ancestry is a fascinating tale. The Nunes side of the family were prominently entrenched in the social and political arena of Portugal. Solomon&#8217;s ancestor  Lisbon Nunes was a Crypto Jew, serving as the physician to the King. Lisbon was arrested and under torture, confessed that he and his family were practicing Jews. Many testified on his behalf and  the Nunes family were spared the punishment of being burned at the stake.  Their fortune was confiscated instead; Nunes secretly continued his covert Jewish practices.</p>
<p> In the 1720&#8242;s Lisbon  managed to smuggle his family and others to  safety in England. Lisbon took the name of Samuel and his wife became Rebecca.  In 1732-33  forty Sephardic Jews emigrated to  the colony of Georgia. When they arrived they found the colony  ill from  intestinal ailment and fever. Nunes and the other Spehards nursed the colony back to health. Despite the care  they received some sought to ban the Jewish pilgrims from settling in the Georgia Colony. The objections were overruled, and the  Jews were allowed to stay and own land. </p>
<p>The Carvalho family also from Portugal were among the first Jewish settlers in Charleston South Carolina, a recognized Crypto and openly Jewish community. </p>
<p>In the naming practices of the Sephardic peoples, if the mother and the father are both from prominent families, the children are given both the name of the mother and the family.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking west from Las Vegas, we see thirty miles away a range with Mount Charleston and a couple other peaks above 11,000 feet, snow-capped half the year, that replenish the aquifer under the valley floor, which is at 2,000 feet elevation.

The first settlement was the Las Vegas Mission, which arrived one year and two weeks after Parley P. Pratt&#039;s bath.  In 1857, the mission was abandoned, and from 1865 until 1905 was used as a ranch, first by Octavius Gass, and then Archibald and Helen Stewart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking west from Las Vegas, we see thirty miles away a range with Mount Charleston and a couple other peaks above 11,000 feet, snow-capped half the year, that replenish the aquifer under the valley floor, which is at 2,000 feet elevation.</p>
<p>The first settlement was the Las Vegas Mission, which arrived one year and two weeks after Parley P. Pratt&#8217;s bath.  In 1857, the mission was abandoned, and from 1865 until 1905 was used as a ranch, first by Octavius Gass, and then Archibald and Helen Stewart.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How absolutely cool. Despite all the reading I&#039;ve done on early Las Vegas, both because that&#039;s the closest thing to a hometown I have and because I&#039;m working on a project concerning the Las Vegas mission of the 1850s, I&#039;ve somehow managed never to have seen this before.

Our ward (well, my family&#039;s old ward, on Charleston) butted up against the Water District property. Our neighborhood was the last to still draw its culinary water from the old spring, but I understand that the neighborhood gets it from Lake Mead now, same as everyone else. The original water was sweet; the processed stuff is so nasty that I can&#039;t drink it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How absolutely cool. Despite all the reading I&#8217;ve done on early Las Vegas, both because that&#8217;s the closest thing to a hometown I have and because I&#8217;m working on a project concerning the Las Vegas mission of the 1850s, I&#8217;ve somehow managed never to have seen this before.</p>
<p>Our ward (well, my family&#8217;s old ward, on Charleston) butted up against the Water District property. Our neighborhood was the last to still draw its culinary water from the old spring, but I understand that the neighborhood gets it from Lake Mead now, same as everyone else. The original water was sweet; the processed stuff is so nasty that I can&#8217;t drink it.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have any idea when the first Mormon pioneers arrived there to stay?  Or were they other (non-Mormon) pioneers?  I know San Bernadino was settled by Mormon pioneers, and there were other settlements nearby Las Vegas, but I don&#039;t know about the area itself.

Amazing to think there is a decent spring under that desert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have any idea when the first Mormon pioneers arrived there to stay?  Or were they other (non-Mormon) pioneers?  I know San Bernadino was settled by Mormon pioneers, and there were other settlements nearby Las Vegas, but I don&#8217;t know about the area itself.</p>
<p>Amazing to think there is a decent spring under that desert.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, the site is owned by the Las Vegas Valley Water District.  The main office is there as well as wells.  The spring stopped flowing to the surface in 1962.  In recent years, the Water District has opened up the site as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lvvwd.com/about/facilities_springs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;historical and nature preserve&lt;/a&gt;, but I haven&#039;t visited it yet.

Groundwater supplies 10% of the Las Vegas Valley&#039;s requirements overall, and in summer up to 39%, pumped at this site and others.  Las Vegas had plenty of water for a large town/small city, but not for what it became.  Water from the Colorado was not pumped in large quantities until 1971.  People look at Las Vegas and wonder at how improbable it is that a community would be placed there in the desert, but a century ago, it made good sense.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lvvwd.com/about/press_history_timeline.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LVVWD timeline.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, the site is owned by the Las Vegas Valley Water District.  The main office is there as well as wells.  The spring stopped flowing to the surface in 1962.  In recent years, the Water District has opened up the site as a <a href="http://www.lvvwd.com/about/facilities_springs.html" rel="nofollow">historical and nature preserve</a>, but I haven&#8217;t visited it yet.</p>
<p>Groundwater supplies 10% of the Las Vegas Valley&#8217;s requirements overall, and in summer up to 39%, pumped at this site and others.  Las Vegas had plenty of water for a large town/small city, but not for what it became.  Water from the Colorado was not pumped in large quantities until 1971.  People look at Las Vegas and wonder at how improbable it is that a community would be placed there in the desert, but a century ago, it made good sense.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lvvwd.com/about/press_history_timeline.html" rel="nofollow">LVVWD timeline.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John M, very interesting.  Does this spring still exist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John M, very interesting.  Does this spring still exist?</p>
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