Comments on: Guest Post: We Wouldn’t Be in This Mess, If… We had been True to the Constitution http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:51:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brian Duffin http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-33848 Brian Duffin Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:32:03 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/11/19/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/#comment-33848 Thank you to everyone for commenting and a special thanks again to Brother Earl Taylor for submitting this guest post. I am closing the comments to protect Canadian citizens and sophits from further assualt. :-) Thank you to everyone for commenting and a special thanks again to Brother Earl Taylor for submitting this guest post.

I am closing the comments to protect Canadian citizens and sophits from further assualt. :-)

]]> By: Kaimi http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-33847 Kaimi Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:21:39 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/11/19/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/#comment-33847 Here's a related joke for everyone. Q. Where do sophists come from? A. They grow on sophist trees! Here’s a related joke for everyone.

Q. Where do sophists come from?

A. They grow on sophist trees!

]]> By: Kaimi http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-33845 Kaimi Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:52:25 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/11/19/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/#comment-33845 Yeah, Mr. Evans. Take that, you sophist! I'll bet you're a Canadian, too. Yeah, Mr. Evans. Take that, you sophist! I’ll bet you’re a Canadian, too.

]]> By: Cynthia http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-33835 Cynthia Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:43:45 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/11/19/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/#comment-33835 To Steve Evans: It appears you are also basing your worldview on a few key people....and one of the major players is the "straw man". You believe that if a theory is written by Cleon Skousen, it is automatically false on its face. I suggest that your sophism is all too readily transparent. To Steve Evans:

It appears you are also basing your worldview on a few key people….and one of the major players is the “straw man”. You believe that if a theory is written by Cleon Skousen, it is automatically false on its face. I suggest that your sophism is all too readily transparent.

]]> By: Steve Evans http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-33818 Steve Evans Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:48:59 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/11/19/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/#comment-33818 All right, I'll lay off. I just think that if you are basing your worldview on a few key people, and one of the major players is Cleon Skousen, that speaks volumes as to your methods and goals. And not positively so. All right, I’ll lay off. I just think that if you are basing your worldview on a few key people, and one of the major players is Cleon Skousen, that speaks volumes as to your methods and goals. And not positively so.

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-33817 Clark Goble Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:29:31 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/11/19/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/#comment-33817 Geoff, not to derail things, but yeah <i>The First 1000 Years</i> is pretty bad on a whole slew of fronts. (Whether looking at it from the point of view of Bible scholarship or the point of view of Mormon theology) I'd give a few egregious examples but I no longer have my copy. I agree about not calling names though. Geoff, not to derail things, but yeah The First 1000 Years is pretty bad on a whole slew of fronts. (Whether looking at it from the point of view of Bible scholarship or the point of view of Mormon theology) I’d give a few egregious examples but I no longer have my copy.

I agree about not calling names though.

]]> By: Geoff B. http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-33815 Geoff B. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:53:37 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/11/19/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/#comment-33815 Steve and Mark B, I tried to read "the Naked Communist" once. Didn't get beyond the first page. I can't disagree that it appears to be to be complete trash. However, when I had just joined the Church I read "the First 1000 years" series. Still have good memories of that series. Have you read it? It's basically a "beginner's course" on the Old Testament, mixing the standard OT with the Book of Moses and the Book of Abraham. As a newcomer to the Church, I found it very enlightening. If you were to read that series, I don't think you'd find it that bad. As for Skousen's paranoid anti-communism, it was partly a product of the time and partly a product of ultraconservative Western U.S. thought. Goldwater once was a paranoid anti-Communist (as was ETB), but by the time the times changed they had both mellowed, as I'm sure Skousen did. I'm just calling for some civility when discussing people like Skousen (and people like our guest post writer). No need to call anybody names. That's my .02. Steve and Mark B, I tried to read “the Naked Communist” once. Didn’t get beyond the first page. I can’t disagree that it appears to be to be complete trash. However, when I had just joined the Church I read “the First 1000 years” series. Still have good memories of that series. Have you read it? It’s basically a “beginner’s course” on the Old Testament, mixing the standard OT with the Book of Moses and the Book of Abraham. As a newcomer to the Church, I found it very enlightening. If you were to read that series, I don’t think you’d find it that bad.

As for Skousen’s paranoid anti-communism, it was partly a product of the time and partly a product of ultraconservative Western U.S. thought. Goldwater once was a paranoid anti-Communist (as was ETB), but by the time the times changed they had both mellowed, as I’m sure Skousen did.

I’m just calling for some civility when discussing people like Skousen (and people like our guest post writer). No need to call anybody names. That’s my .02.

]]> By: Jack http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-33814 Jack Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:30:30 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/11/19/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/#comment-33814 Steve, Wresting the scriptures is one thing. Wresting the religious academy is another. It is unlikely that one will wrest the latter to one's destruction. Steve,

Wresting the scriptures is one thing. Wresting the religious academy is another. It is unlikely that one will wrest the latter to one’s destruction.

]]> By: Steve Evans http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-33813 Steve Evans Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:15:39 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/11/19/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/#comment-33813 I wasn't really making an argument either. I share the confusion about how printing a lot of books makes one smart. Hell, even *I* write a lot of stuff. Skousen was, in my esteemed and learned opinion, a product of McCarthy era FBI conspiracy theory, one who saw communists around every hedge and managed to associate pretty much anything he didn't like from bubblegum ice cream to Rockefeller as being in bed with Satan. His political theory is a paranoid mishmash of ultraconservatism and sheer nuttery. His gospel commentary wrests the scriptures like Hulk Hogan vs. Jimmy Superfly Snuka. His books are easy to read, though. I wasn’t really making an argument either. I share the confusion about how printing a lot of books makes one smart. Hell, even *I* write a lot of stuff.

Skousen was, in my esteemed and learned opinion, a product of McCarthy era FBI conspiracy theory, one who saw communists around every hedge and managed to associate pretty much anything he didn’t like from bubblegum ice cream to Rockefeller as being in bed with Satan. His political theory is a paranoid mishmash of ultraconservatism and sheer nuttery. His gospel commentary wrests the scriptures like Hulk Hogan vs. Jimmy Superfly Snuka. His books are easy to read, though.

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-33812 Clark Goble Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:14:07 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/11/19/guest-post-we-wouldnt-be-in-this-mess-if-we-had-been-true-to-the-constitution/#comment-33812 For the record, while I'm anything but a lawyer, I do think it a good thing that an originist of Thomas' stripe is on the Supreme Court. I think diversity of constitutional philosophy is almost certainly a good thing. I don't know how much the Justices actually talk with each other (although I'm sure Nate does) but I'd like to think hearing different views influences some. For the record, while I’m anything but a lawyer, I do think it a good thing that an originist of Thomas’ stripe is on the Supreme Court. I think diversity of constitutional philosophy is almost certainly a good thing. I don’t know how much the Justices actually talk with each other (although I’m sure Nate does) but I’d like to think hearing different views influences some.

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