Comments on: Guest Post: The Fourth LDS Church Mission: To Practice ‘Pure Religion’ http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:51:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Greg http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-45118 Greg Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:59:51 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=4531#comment-45118 Perhaps we will be called upon to live more fully the law of consecration than we presently envision - please see the <a href="http://www.believeallthings.com/1569/redemption-zion" rel="nofollow">Redemption of Zion</a>. Perhaps we will be called upon to live more fully the law of consecration than we presently envision – please see the Redemption of Zion.

]]> By: E http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-44848 E Wed, 06 Jan 2010 04:26:09 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=4531#comment-44848 Amen to Ardis. Amen to Ardis.

]]> By: Ardis Parshall http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-44710 Ardis Parshall Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:39:52 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=4531#comment-44710 Chris, I don't object to "hard-hitting" where it is warranted, and in an important, too-often-neglected area like actually following through on a commitment to create Zion, "hard-hitting" would be appropriate. The tone I object to is the "give me the glory, because I'm a pretty glorious fellow" part. (I wanted to avoid saying that out of respect for YOUR respect for the author, but I don't want my contribution to this thread to appear to be that of one who agrees with doctrine in theory but can't be bothered to put it into practice.) Chris, I don’t object to “hard-hitting” where it is warranted, and in an important, too-often-neglected area like actually following through on a commitment to create Zion, “hard-hitting” would be appropriate. The tone I object to is the “give me the glory, because I’m a pretty glorious fellow” part. (I wanted to avoid saying that out of respect for YOUR respect for the author, but I don’t want my contribution to this thread to appear to be that of one who agrees with doctrine in theory but can’t be bothered to put it into practice.)

]]> By: Geoff B. http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-44698 Geoff B. Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:58:53 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=4531#comment-44698 Chris, the dislike is all on your side. You seem like a nice enough guy to me. Hanging around M* does seem to upset you, so you may want to spend less time here in 2010, just for your own happiness. Chris, the dislike is all on your side. You seem like a nice enough guy to me. Hanging around M* does seem to upset you, so you may want to spend less time here in 2010, just for your own happiness.

]]> By: Chris Henrichsen http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-44696 Chris Henrichsen Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:53:40 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=4531#comment-44696 Geoff, "...see how you and other lefties respond." Sigh. Since all of us lefites are the same, that makes sense. I do not see you and I getting past our mutual dislike anytime soon. "Let’s aim for a productive, peaceful and contention-free 2010." Sure. This will likely require me to stay clear of M*. Ralph, I would be interested in picking up on your comments elsewhere. There is much to be done. Geoff,

“…see how you and other lefties respond.”

Sigh. Since all of us lefites are the same, that makes sense. I do not see you and I getting past our mutual dislike anytime soon.

“Let’s aim for a productive, peaceful and contention-free 2010.”

Sure. This will likely require me to stay clear of M*.

Ralph,

I would be interested in picking up on your comments elsewhere. There is much to be done.

]]> By: Geoff B http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-44680 Geoff B Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:24:10 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=4531#comment-44680 Chris, I think it might be an interesting thought experiment to exchange the subject of this post from "caring for the poor" to "promoting abstinence" or "promoting heterosexual marriage" and see how you and other lefties respond. These are also worthy goals, constantly promoted by the Church, yet a post extolling one's lifelong efforts to promoting the Church's position on marriage, and pointing out how others need to follow suit, would almost certainly be met with widespread derision by most of the Bloggernacle. People don't like "holier than thou" posts on any subject. Having said that, I am in the process of defining my 2010 goals (we have a family exercise to do that), and this post has helped me focus on areas where I can do a better job of helping the poor, so if one of its purposes is to tweak our consciences, it worked with this unapologetic and avowed capitalist. Let's aim for a productive, peaceful and contention-free 2010. Chris, I think it might be an interesting thought experiment to exchange the subject of this post from “caring for the poor” to “promoting abstinence” or “promoting heterosexual marriage” and see how you and other lefties respond. These are also worthy goals, constantly promoted by the Church, yet a post extolling one’s lifelong efforts to promoting the Church’s position on marriage, and pointing out how others need to follow suit, would almost certainly be met with widespread derision by most of the Bloggernacle. People don’t like “holier than thou” posts on any subject.

Having said that, I am in the process of defining my 2010 goals (we have a family exercise to do that), and this post has helped me focus on areas where I can do a better job of helping the poor, so if one of its purposes is to tweak our consciences, it worked with this unapologetic and avowed capitalist.

Let’s aim for a productive, peaceful and contention-free 2010.

]]> By: Sterling Fluharty http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-44679 Sterling Fluharty Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:18:06 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=4531#comment-44679 And thinking you are on the right side of history can make it hard to be humble ;-) And thinking you are on the right side of history can make it hard to be humble ;-)

]]> By: Chris Henrichsen http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-44678 Chris Henrichsen Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:04:44 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=4531#comment-44678 Ardis, I think that hard-hitting argument has value. I think it is great that this make people uncomfortable. The problem is that in the end, it is the "tone" that makes people uncomfortable and not the plight of the poor. But, to be honest, having tried in the past to address these issues in a "civil" manner, it makes little difference. Most people are just interested in justifying there own life-style, and the life-style of there fellow community/ward members, and have little interest in the human condition. As a result, we need Warner to come and give people a shake on occasion. Ardis,

I think that hard-hitting argument has value. I think it is great that this make people uncomfortable. The problem is that in the end, it is the “tone” that makes people uncomfortable and not the plight of the poor. But, to be honest, having tried in the past to address these issues in a “civil” manner, it makes little difference. Most people are just interested in justifying there own life-style, and the life-style of there fellow community/ward members, and have little interest in the human condition. As a result, we need Warner to come and give people a shake on occasion.

]]> By: Geoff B http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-44675 Geoff B Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:42:54 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=4531#comment-44675 Ardis, you are my hero. Ardis, you are my hero.

]]> By: Ardis Parshall http://www.millennialstar.org/guest-post-the-fourth-lds-church-mission-to-practice-%e2%80%98pure-religion%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-44661 Ardis Parshall Sat, 02 Jan 2010 05:45:43 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/?p=4531#comment-44661 It is truly strange how I can agree more or less with the substantive points in this post while at the same time having an exceedingly negative reaction to the tone in which it is written. It is truly strange how I can agree more or less with the substantive points in this post while at the same time having an exceedingly negative reaction to the tone in which it is written.

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