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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: Movies on the Book of Mormon: Finally Got Some Things Right?</title>
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		<title>By: denice</title>
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		<dc:creator>denice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope time also does away with this whole &quot;dark skin&quot; thing..it does not matter how many times you tell people that there were dark skin members who received the priesthood before 1978 they don&#039;t believe it..the keep quoting BY&#039;s Journal&#039;s speech about &quot;flat nose &amp; dark skin&quot; like it was doctrine.. but they never quote BY&#039;s other words about whites been cursed for keeping slaves unless they repent..they just read what they want to read..it gets so tiring trying to explain it to Non-members, Members who have left the church and Members in the church who are dark skin but still struggle with it and they don&#039;t want their kids around it..Seriously this whole &quot;the BOM is racist&quot; is getting old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope time also does away with this whole &#8220;dark skin&#8221; thing..it does not matter how many times you tell people that there were dark skin members who received the priesthood before 1978 they don&#8217;t believe it..the keep quoting BY&#8217;s Journal&#8217;s speech about &#8220;flat nose &amp; dark skin&#8221; like it was doctrine.. but they never quote BY&#8217;s other words about whites been cursed for keeping slaves unless they repent..they just read what they want to read..it gets so tiring trying to explain it to Non-members, Members who have left the church and Members in the church who are dark skin but still struggle with it and they don&#8217;t want their kids around it..Seriously this whole &#8220;the BOM is racist&#8221; is getting old.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Denice:

Of course you&#039;re right. The mainstream Christians all have the benefit of unquestioning belief in the inerrancy of the Bible. 

But it wasn&#039;t always so.

Beginning with Napoleon&#039;s Egyptian campaign in 1798-1801, when he took dozens of scholars with him, and which culminated in the finding and translation of the Rosetta Stone, believing Christians streamed into the Mediterranean and the Near and Middle East looking for proof in the ground of the Old and New Testaments.

What they found rocked the Christian faithful in the middle 1800s. Instead of archeological proof they found that a bunch of Biblical stories seemed to have their foundations in the older Middle Eastern cultures; the Deluge, for instance.

Around the same time, Darwin published his theory on natural selection and between the two tectonic shifts, thinking Christians of the day were in a quandary about what to think about the Bible. 

Where their descendents of today landed was that the proof of the truth of the Bible was in the book itself and in the living of its precepts.

It&#039;s the same with us Mormons. The truth of the Book of Mormon isn&#039;t likely to be found in Central or South American archeological digs; it&#039;s in the Book itself.

My view is that the Book of Mormon doesn&#039;t have any problems that a few hundred more years won&#039;t solve. 

That&#039;s not to say that mainstream Christians of the year 2208 will believe in the BoM and the Restored Gospel. Only that they won&#039;t have the energy to oppose it and the 100s of millions who do believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Denice:</p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;re right. The mainstream Christians all have the benefit of unquestioning belief in the inerrancy of the Bible. </p>
<p>But it wasn&#8217;t always so.</p>
<p>Beginning with Napoleon&#8217;s Egyptian campaign in 1798-1801, when he took dozens of scholars with him, and which culminated in the finding and translation of the Rosetta Stone, believing Christians streamed into the Mediterranean and the Near and Middle East looking for proof in the ground of the Old and New Testaments.</p>
<p>What they found rocked the Christian faithful in the middle 1800s. Instead of archeological proof they found that a bunch of Biblical stories seemed to have their foundations in the older Middle Eastern cultures; the Deluge, for instance.</p>
<p>Around the same time, Darwin published his theory on natural selection and between the two tectonic shifts, thinking Christians of the day were in a quandary about what to think about the Bible. </p>
<p>Where their descendents of today landed was that the proof of the truth of the Bible was in the book itself and in the living of its precepts.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same with us Mormons. The truth of the Book of Mormon isn&#8217;t likely to be found in Central or South American archeological digs; it&#8217;s in the Book itself.</p>
<p>My view is that the Book of Mormon doesn&#8217;t have any problems that a few hundred more years won&#8217;t solve. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that mainstream Christians of the year 2208 will believe in the BoM and the Restored Gospel. Only that they won&#8217;t have the energy to oppose it and the 100s of millions who do believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: denice</title>
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		<dc:creator>denice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Paul..They don&#039;t have a problem believing Jesus existed because it is in the bible and according to them all of our answers to our problems can be found in the bible period..the BOM according to some is just something written to fools others...ya know it came out of old joe&#039;s head. Now at least the athiest do not believe anything.. bible nor bom..because they want proof of everything..oh my you should hear some of the athiest chant, well if there is a GOD why should he punish me just because I don&#039;t believe in him..what kind of GOD is that? He gives me no proof he exists and then punishes me for not believing.  (shakes head) I love Chri&#039;s &quot;how can you live after the savior and not believe in him&quot; I am not sure if that is word for word but you know wha I mean and I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Paul..They don&#8217;t have a problem believing Jesus existed because it is in the bible and according to them all of our answers to our problems can be found in the bible period..the BOM according to some is just something written to fools others&#8230;ya know it came out of old joe&#8217;s head. Now at least the athiest do not believe anything.. bible nor bom..because they want proof of everything..oh my you should hear some of the athiest chant, well if there is a GOD why should he punish me just because I don&#8217;t believe in him..what kind of GOD is that? He gives me no proof he exists and then punishes me for not believing.  (shakes head) I love Chri&#8217;s &#8220;how can you live after the savior and not believe in him&#8221; I am not sure if that is word for word but you know wha I mean and I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denice:

If the antis give you trouble, ask them to show you even one shred of widely-accepted physical proof of Jesus&#039;s existence, or Peter&#039;s, or Paul&#039;s. 

Or the Buddha&#039;s, for that matter.

For people of faith proof of one&#039;s belief&#039;s doesn&#039;t come from the ground.

If it did, we&#039;d all be practicing the religions of the Summerians or Egyptians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denice:</p>
<p>If the antis give you trouble, ask them to show you even one shred of widely-accepted physical proof of Jesus&#8217;s existence, or Peter&#8217;s, or Paul&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Or the Buddha&#8217;s, for that matter.</p>
<p>For people of faith proof of one&#8217;s belief&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t come from the ground.</p>
<p>If it did, we&#8217;d all be practicing the religions of the Summerians or Egyptians.</p>
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		<title>By: denice</title>
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		<dc:creator>denice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s trying? we are all trying as LDS members to teach people that you do not need a &quot;place&quot; to prove the BOM is real..People can&#039;t seem to understand that when given too much &quot;specific&quot; information about something you are no longer working on faith and your Agency is lost.

If you believe in the BOM with only your prayers and the Holy Ghost then you believe in it with faith and with your full agency..Anti&#039;s do not get that. 

so when you say:

 &quot;I think the Lord keeping us somewhat in the dark regarding the exact location of Zarahemla may be deliberate. It encourages us delve more deeply into the scriptures and glean much more from the doctrinal or spiritual message than we otherwise might&quot;

The anti&#039;s wont believe a word of it and will call it a cop out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s trying? we are all trying as LDS members to teach people that you do not need a &#8220;place&#8221; to prove the BOM is real..People can&#8217;t seem to understand that when given too much &#8220;specific&#8221; information about something you are no longer working on faith and your Agency is lost.</p>
<p>If you believe in the BOM with only your prayers and the Holy Ghost then you believe in it with faith and with your full agency..Anti&#8217;s do not get that. </p>
<p>so when you say:</p>
<p> &#8220;I think the Lord keeping us somewhat in the dark regarding the exact location of Zarahemla may be deliberate. It encourages us delve more deeply into the scriptures and glean much more from the doctrinal or spiritual message than we otherwise might&#8221;</p>
<p>The anti&#8217;s wont believe a word of it and will call it a cop out.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heimerdinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Heimerdinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s trying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s trying?</p>
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		<title>By: denice</title>
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		<dc:creator>denice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck trying to tell that to the Anti&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck trying to tell that to the Anti&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heimerdinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Heimerdinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An opinon is arbitrary when it, in essence, comes out of the blue. Not based on any consensus or survey or any data gathering. Just one man&#039;s opinion. Nothing wrong with that. That&#039;s generally how we all do blogs. But since I have received very little criticism of the music in my film, I would consider a lone opinion to the contrary an arbitrary or one-sided opinion. I hope that&#039;s the proper dictionary usage.

The Book of Mormon may not claim that Indians are the direct descendants of the Lamanites, but the Doctrine and Covenants do make this claim. Remember the mission of Oliver Cowdery to Missouri? These Native Americans are definitely referred to as descendants of Lamanites. Again, we can interpret this too broadly. This does not necessarily mean that Eskimos are Lamanites. Nor does it mean that Crow or Shoshoni are Lamanites. Only that those Indians in the Mississipi Valley may have had Lamanite roots. Nevertheless, I think it&#039;s safe to assume that the blood of the Lamanites flows in the veins of many Native American tribes. 

Keep in mind that the Book of Mormon offers many hints that the Nephites and Lamanites intermingled with the native peoples when they arrived. Heck, they were having civil wars within the first generation! If it was just Lehi&#039;s descendants, wouldn&#039;t that have been more accurately called a family feud? Also, recall that during the reign of Jacob, a brother of Nephi, an anti-Christ named Sharem came among them. No one seems to know the origin of Sherem. Yet we are still in the time period of first generation Nephites. Sherem, I believe, was not related to Lehi or Laman or anyone else on that boat. There are many, many more clues that indicate that Nephites and Lamanites intermingled. (And we know for a fact that Jaredites still populated the lands.) I believe the picture would be much clearer if Martin Harris hadn&#039;t lost the first 116 pages of manuscript. This 116 pages would have covered Mormon&#039;s condensed history of the Nephites all the way to the days of King Benjamin. Hey, maybe this will show up one day. In the meantime, we have scholarship and our natural intelligence to guide us. Hopefully those are always further enhanced by faith.

It is correct that the Church has made no official stand on Book of Mormon lands, but so many General Authorities have been on tours down there, including Pres. Hinckley and his wife, that it&#039;s obvious that most would lean toward Central America as Nephite and Lamanite territory. Howard W. Hunter, a strong proponant of BYU&#039;s New World Archeological Foundation, made many specific statements wherein he referred to Native Americans from that region to be descendants of Lehi. The most &quot;authoritative&quot; statement I suppose comes from Joseph Smith in an editorial that he wrote for the LDS periodical &quot;Times and Seasons&quot; in 1842, wherein he compared Stephen&#039;s books and drawings on ruins in Central America as having potential correlation with the Book of Mormon. So even Joseph Smith was speculating, and did not seek or report any specific revelation on the matter.

I do feel that all of my research into Book of Mormon geography has created in me an overwhelming appreciation of the sacred volume, and afforded me much highly in-depth study. I doubt I would have done this if some revelation had &quot;held my hand&quot; and pointed out precise locations. It&#039;s a natural inclination for the saints to wonder where these events took place. I think the Lord keeping us somewhat in the dark regarding the exact location of Zarahemla may be deliberate. It encourages us delve more deeply into the scriptures and glean much more from the doctrinal or spiritual message than we otherwise might. 

Thanks for all your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An opinon is arbitrary when it, in essence, comes out of the blue. Not based on any consensus or survey or any data gathering. Just one man&#8217;s opinion. Nothing wrong with that. That&#8217;s generally how we all do blogs. But since I have received very little criticism of the music in my film, I would consider a lone opinion to the contrary an arbitrary or one-sided opinion. I hope that&#8217;s the proper dictionary usage.</p>
<p>The Book of Mormon may not claim that Indians are the direct descendants of the Lamanites, but the Doctrine and Covenants do make this claim. Remember the mission of Oliver Cowdery to Missouri? These Native Americans are definitely referred to as descendants of Lamanites. Again, we can interpret this too broadly. This does not necessarily mean that Eskimos are Lamanites. Nor does it mean that Crow or Shoshoni are Lamanites. Only that those Indians in the Mississipi Valley may have had Lamanite roots. Nevertheless, I think it&#8217;s safe to assume that the blood of the Lamanites flows in the veins of many Native American tribes. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that the Book of Mormon offers many hints that the Nephites and Lamanites intermingled with the native peoples when they arrived. Heck, they were having civil wars within the first generation! If it was just Lehi&#8217;s descendants, wouldn&#8217;t that have been more accurately called a family feud? Also, recall that during the reign of Jacob, a brother of Nephi, an anti-Christ named Sharem came among them. No one seems to know the origin of Sherem. Yet we are still in the time period of first generation Nephites. Sherem, I believe, was not related to Lehi or Laman or anyone else on that boat. There are many, many more clues that indicate that Nephites and Lamanites intermingled. (And we know for a fact that Jaredites still populated the lands.) I believe the picture would be much clearer if Martin Harris hadn&#8217;t lost the first 116 pages of manuscript. This 116 pages would have covered Mormon&#8217;s condensed history of the Nephites all the way to the days of King Benjamin. Hey, maybe this will show up one day. In the meantime, we have scholarship and our natural intelligence to guide us. Hopefully those are always further enhanced by faith.</p>
<p>It is correct that the Church has made no official stand on Book of Mormon lands, but so many General Authorities have been on tours down there, including Pres. Hinckley and his wife, that it&#8217;s obvious that most would lean toward Central America as Nephite and Lamanite territory. Howard W. Hunter, a strong proponant of BYU&#8217;s New World Archeological Foundation, made many specific statements wherein he referred to Native Americans from that region to be descendants of Lehi. The most &#8220;authoritative&#8221; statement I suppose comes from Joseph Smith in an editorial that he wrote for the LDS periodical &#8220;Times and Seasons&#8221; in 1842, wherein he compared Stephen&#8217;s books and drawings on ruins in Central America as having potential correlation with the Book of Mormon. So even Joseph Smith was speculating, and did not seek or report any specific revelation on the matter.</p>
<p>I do feel that all of my research into Book of Mormon geography has created in me an overwhelming appreciation of the sacred volume, and afforded me much highly in-depth study. I doubt I would have done this if some revelation had &#8220;held my hand&#8221; and pointed out precise locations. It&#8217;s a natural inclination for the saints to wonder where these events took place. I think the Lord keeping us somewhat in the dark regarding the exact location of Zarahemla may be deliberate. It encourages us delve more deeply into the scriptures and glean much more from the doctrinal or spiritual message than we otherwise might. </p>
<p>Thanks for all your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the songs and the music was EXCELLENT! and I hope CH will write a lot more. I have seen most of all the LDS films that have come out, considering the junk hollywood puts out I always look for uplifting materials to watch and I gotta say Chris&#039;s film was a lot better than most..like he said you can&#039;t expect hollywood&#039;s budget on this film but it was great with what he had to work with, better than most..Good grief ever seen beauty and the beast or that hideous Anxiously Engaged? give the man his props ;O)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the songs and the music was EXCELLENT! and I hope CH will write a lot more. I have seen most of all the LDS films that have come out, considering the junk hollywood puts out I always look for uplifting materials to watch and I gotta say Chris&#8217;s film was a lot better than most..like he said you can&#8217;t expect hollywood&#8217;s budget on this film but it was great with what he had to work with, better than most..Good grief ever seen beauty and the beast or that hideous Anxiously Engaged? give the man his props ;O)</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Moore Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Moore Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our family watched the movie a couple of weeks ago. We were entertained.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sure, sure. There’s flaws.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please tell me that pun was intended!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our family watched the movie a couple of weeks ago. We were entertained.</p>
<blockquote><p>Sure, sure. There’s flaws.</p></blockquote>
<p>Please tell me that pun was intended!</p>
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