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		<title>By: Geoff B</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/global-cooling-update/comment-page-1/#comment-40593</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous, that AP article is looking more ridiculous by the day:

http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjM4NmFkMTQ5N2MxODkwYjQ4NjNiMmM5ZDI5OWIzOTk=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, that AP article is looking more ridiculous by the day:</p>
<p><a href="http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjM4NmFkMTQ5N2MxODkwYjQ4NjNiMmM5ZDI5OWIzOTk" rel="nofollow">http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjM4NmFkMTQ5N2MxODkwYjQ4NjNiMmM5ZDI5OWIzOTk</a>=</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/global-cooling-update/comment-page-1/#comment-40582</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/27/pielke-senior-on-the-borenstien-ap-statistics-article/#more-12183</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous:</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/27/pielke-senior-on-the-borenstien-ap-statistics-article/#more-12183" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/27/pielke-senior-on-the-borenstien-ap-statistics-article/#more-12183</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/global-cooling-update/comment-page-1/#comment-40576</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Geoff B</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/global-cooling-update/comment-page-1/#comment-40508</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself:

&quot;In words quoted on the cover of my new book, Prof Lindzen wrote: “Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 21st century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally averaged temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly exaggerated computer predictions combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.” 

Such is the truly extraordinary position in which we find ourselves. 

Thanks to misreading the significance of a brief period of rising temperatures at the end of the 20th century, the Western world (but not India or China) is now contemplating measures that add up to the most expensive economic suicide note ever written. 

How long will it be before sanity and sound science break in on what begins to look like one of the most bizarre collective delusions ever to grip the human race?&quot;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6425269/The-real-climate-change-catastrophe.html#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself:</p>
<p>&#8220;In words quoted on the cover of my new book, Prof Lindzen wrote: “Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 21st century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally averaged temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly exaggerated computer predictions combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.” </p>
<p>Such is the truly extraordinary position in which we find ourselves. </p>
<p>Thanks to misreading the significance of a brief period of rising temperatures at the end of the 20th century, the Western world (but not India or China) is now contemplating measures that add up to the most expensive economic suicide note ever written. </p>
<p>How long will it be before sanity and sound science break in on what begins to look like one of the most bizarre collective delusions ever to grip the human race?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6425269/The-real-climate-change-catastrophe.html#" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6425269/The-real-climate-change-catastrophe.html#</a></p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/global-cooling-update/comment-page-1/#comment-40484</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as for your poll, well, it turns out that&#039;s not right either.  The attitudes of climate scientists toward the IPCC report are much more complex than you describe:

http://www.climatesci.org/publications/pdf/Brown.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as for your poll, well, it turns out that&#8217;s not right either.  The attitudes of climate scientists toward the IPCC report are much more complex than you describe:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climatesci.org/publications/pdf/Brown.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatesci.org/publications/pdf/Brown.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/global-cooling-update/comment-page-1/#comment-40478</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark, there are literally dozens of peer-review studies questions the IPCC report conclusions:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=84E9E44A-802A-23AD-493A-B35D0842FED8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark, there are literally dozens of peer-review studies questions the IPCC report conclusions:</p>
<p><a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&#038;ContentRecord_id=84E9E44A-802A-23AD-493A-B35D0842FED8" rel="nofollow">http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&#038;ContentRecord_id=84E9E44A-802A-23AD-493A-B35D0842FED8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/global-cooling-update/comment-page-1/#comment-40474</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark, it appears the general public is not getting the message.  People are capable of seeing with their own eyes.

http://people-press.org/report/556/global-warming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark, it appears the general public is not getting the message.  People are capable of seeing with their own eyes.</p>
<p><a href="http://people-press.org/report/556/global-warming" rel="nofollow">http://people-press.org/report/556/global-warming</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clark Goble</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/global-cooling-update/comment-page-1/#comment-40451</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Goble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, most of those are anything but &quot;leading scientists.&quot;

The other poll you gave wasn&#039;t of climatologists or even just scientists.  How engineers view the topic if they are not experts in the field is misleading, don&#039;t you think?  Further if you look at the poll I noted, among the field the poll you gave surveys you&#039;ll find similar low belief.

Also one should be careful about the meaning of polls.  A poll showing 97% of experts in the field accepting a theoretic result is quite significant.  A poll showing many who &lt;i&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; experts has less significance.  But ultimately what counts in science aren&#039;t beliefs but results of peer reviewed studies.  And once again there if you look at the peer reviewed literature there is no real questioning of global warming.  All the peer reviewed studies published in legitimate journals supports it.  There are of course questions and critiques, but they relate to the details of particular issues rather than the broader conclusions.

So finding that geophysicists and geochemists typically working with the petroleum industry are doubters is about on part with finding out many doctors don&#039;t believe in evolution and then making a claim about the status of evolution in biology on that basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, most of those are anything but &#8220;leading scientists.&#8221;</p>
<p>The other poll you gave wasn&#8217;t of climatologists or even just scientists.  How engineers view the topic if they are not experts in the field is misleading, don&#8217;t you think?  Further if you look at the poll I noted, among the field the poll you gave surveys you&#8217;ll find similar low belief.</p>
<p>Also one should be careful about the meaning of polls.  A poll showing 97% of experts in the field accepting a theoretic result is quite significant.  A poll showing many who <i>aren&#8217;t</i> experts has less significance.  But ultimately what counts in science aren&#8217;t beliefs but results of peer reviewed studies.  And once again there if you look at the peer reviewed literature there is no real questioning of global warming.  All the peer reviewed studies published in legitimate journals supports it.  There are of course questions and critiques, but they relate to the details of particular issues rather than the broader conclusions.</p>
<p>So finding that geophysicists and geochemists typically working with the petroleum industry are doubters is about on part with finding out many doctors don&#8217;t believe in evolution and then making a claim about the status of evolution in biology on that basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/global-cooling-update/comment-page-1/#comment-40437</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More interesting news:  Japanese scientists questions AGW and the IPCC:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25182520-2703,00.html

A poll of Canadian scientists show a clear lack of &quot;consensus&quot; on AGW:

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=1d688937-54b7-48f4-a4be-d6979dada5df&amp;k=65311#

Here are some key quotations:

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for
Physics, Ivar Giaever.

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to
know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC
Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical
chemist.
“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t
have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on
scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” - Indian geologist
Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported
International Year of the Planet.
“So far, real measurements give no ground for concern about a catastrophic future
warming.” - Scientist Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, a chemical engineer at Abo Akademi
University in Finland, author of 200 scientific publications and former Greenpeace
member.
“Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a
fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.”
- Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior advisor to the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo.
Brekke has published more than 40 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the sun and solar
interaction with the Earth.



Me Again:  I remember how convinced I was just a year ago that the Iraq war was a just cause.  And now I look at trillion-dollar deficits as far as the eye can see, and I am truly worried about the future of our country for the first time in my life.  I think with new information, people can change.  I hold out hope this will happen for you, Clark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More interesting news:  Japanese scientists questions AGW and the IPCC:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25182520-2703,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25182520-2703,00.html</a></p>
<p>A poll of Canadian scientists show a clear lack of &#8220;consensus&#8221; on AGW:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=1d688937-54b7-48f4-a4be-d6979dada5df&#038;k=65311#" rel="nofollow">http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=1d688937-54b7-48f4-a4be-d6979dada5df&#038;k=65311#</a></p>
<p>Here are some key quotations:</p>
<p>“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” &#8211; Nobel Prize Winner for<br />
Physics, Ivar Giaever.</p>
<p>Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to<br />
know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” &#8211; UN IPCC<br />
Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical<br />
chemist.<br />
“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t<br />
have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on<br />
scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” &#8211; Indian geologist<br />
Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported<br />
International Year of the Planet.<br />
“So far, real measurements give no ground for concern about a catastrophic future<br />
warming.” &#8211; Scientist Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, a chemical engineer at Abo Akademi<br />
University in Finland, author of 200 scientific publications and former Greenpeace<br />
member.<br />
“Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a<br />
fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.”<br />
- Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior advisor to the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo.<br />
Brekke has published more than 40 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the sun and solar<br />
interaction with the Earth.</p>
<p>Me Again:  I remember how convinced I was just a year ago that the Iraq war was a just cause.  And now I look at trillion-dollar deficits as far as the eye can see, and I am truly worried about the future of our country for the first time in my life.  I think with new information, people can change.  I hold out hope this will happen for you, Clark.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/global-cooling-update/comment-page-1/#comment-40434</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark, I think the graph is actually quite significant.  It shows that we are clearly entering a global cooling phase or at the very least a stage of long-term stabilization of global temperatures.  I know it is frustrating for many AGW promoters that the Earth doesn&#039;t seem to be cooperating by heating up, but the fact may be that cooling and heating are simply a natural part of the Earth&#039;s processes and that there&#039;s not much we can do to control the weather.

Question to you:  if it is &quot;ridiculous&quot; to only look at the last few years (from 1980 on) how many more years of cooling do we need before we can notice that global warming isn&#039;t happening?  Five more years, 10 more?

By the way, the number of leading scientists who dissent from the AGW &quot;consensus&quot; is now up to 700.  This may be some interesting reading for you:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&amp;FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark, I think the graph is actually quite significant.  It shows that we are clearly entering a global cooling phase or at the very least a stage of long-term stabilization of global temperatures.  I know it is frustrating for many AGW promoters that the Earth doesn&#8217;t seem to be cooperating by heating up, but the fact may be that cooling and heating are simply a natural part of the Earth&#8217;s processes and that there&#8217;s not much we can do to control the weather.</p>
<p>Question to you:  if it is &#8220;ridiculous&#8221; to only look at the last few years (from 1980 on) how many more years of cooling do we need before we can notice that global warming isn&#8217;t happening?  Five more years, 10 more?</p>
<p>By the way, the number of leading scientists who dissent from the AGW &#8220;consensus&#8221; is now up to 700.  This may be some interesting reading for you:</p>
<p><a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&#038;FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9" rel="nofollow">http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&#038;FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9</a></p>
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