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		<title>By: Jordan F.</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/girls-really-do-have-more-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-49128</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife has been able to attend girl&#039;s camp lots of times.  She LOVES it!  I do wonder why they NEED a &quot;priesthood observer&quot; though.  Oh, well, at least you have an excuse to go.  I agree that it sounds a like a LOT more fun than scout camp ever was.  All that ever happened at scout camp was hazing right under the leaders&#039; noses.  Obnoxious boys...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife has been able to attend girl&#8217;s camp lots of times.  She LOVES it!  I do wonder why they NEED a &#8220;priesthood observer&#8221; though.  Oh, well, at least you have an excuse to go.  I agree that it sounds a like a LOT more fun than scout camp ever was.  All that ever happened at scout camp was hazing right under the leaders&#8217; noses.  Obnoxious boys&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it.  It makes more sense in that context.

I remember on my mission, having to choose either staying out 30 minutes or an hour too late at night and being able to attend the ward I was assigned to, or getting inside on time but having to go to church with a different ward.  Staying out late is a big violation of missionary rules; there was no such rule against attending another ward (as long as you already had permission to be outside your area).  Attending church with my ward was more important to me than the violation of the rule.  Sometimes we have choices like that, and sometimes some rules should be broken for the greater good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it.  It makes more sense in that context.</p>
<p>I remember on my mission, having to choose either staying out 30 minutes or an hour too late at night and being able to attend the ward I was assigned to, or getting inside on time but having to go to church with a different ward.  Staying out late is a big violation of missionary rules; there was no such rule against attending another ward (as long as you already had permission to be outside your area).  Attending church with my ward was more important to me than the violation of the rule.  Sometimes we have choices like that, and sometimes some rules should be broken for the greater good.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, there were some special circumstances associated with this particular case, ie, the girl feigning an injury was a practical joker who did that kind of thing on a regular basis.  So, part of the test was, &quot;will you follow instructions or will you fall for what you know to be a fake by the person who loves to pull pranks?&quot;  I know that&#039;s not obvious from the story, but that was the circumstance involved.

We actually had a long discussion on the importance of keeping to your standards even if you are tempted to do something that seems &quot;good&quot; but is not.  One girl used the example of, &quot;should I do something wrong if a girl manipulates me by saying that I am helping her out and accompanying her in a way that helps her?&quot;   Another girl said she has a friend who tries to manipulate her into going to rowdy drug and alcohol parties with her so &quot;she isn&#039;t the only girl there.&quot;  The young woman realized it is not her obligation to follow her friend off a cliff if her friend insists on jumping.

So, the girl feigning an accident helped the young women think about when and where it might be a good idea to help somebody -- and when and where it is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, there were some special circumstances associated with this particular case, ie, the girl feigning an injury was a practical joker who did that kind of thing on a regular basis.  So, part of the test was, &#8220;will you follow instructions or will you fall for what you know to be a fake by the person who loves to pull pranks?&#8221;  I know that&#8217;s not obvious from the story, but that was the circumstance involved.</p>
<p>We actually had a long discussion on the importance of keeping to your standards even if you are tempted to do something that seems &#8220;good&#8221; but is not.  One girl used the example of, &#8220;should I do something wrong if a girl manipulates me by saying that I am helping her out and accompanying her in a way that helps her?&#8221;   Another girl said she has a friend who tries to manipulate her into going to rowdy drug and alcohol parties with her so &#8220;she isn&#8217;t the only girl there.&#8221;  The young woman realized it is not her obligation to follow her friend off a cliff if her friend insists on jumping.</p>
<p>So, the girl feigning an accident helped the young women think about when and where it might be a good idea to help somebody &#8212; and when and where it is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Tim missed the whole point of the exercise.  How would you propose the older young women tempt the younger ones to let go of the iron rod and symbolically fall from the truth?  Should they have tempted them with actual immoral or spurious behavior?

I think the girls understood the exercise and that &quot;temptations&quot; do not normally come in the form of selfless service unto others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Tim missed the whole point of the exercise.  How would you propose the older young women tempt the younger ones to let go of the iron rod and symbolically fall from the truth?  Should they have tempted them with actual immoral or spurious behavior?</p>
<p>I think the girls understood the exercise and that &#8220;temptations&#8221; do not normally come in the form of selfless service unto others.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/girls-really-do-have-more-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-49085</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The older young women would try to “tempt” them to let go of the rope. One of the older young women feigned an injury.&quot;

Wait--we can lose grip of the iron rod by going to help someone who needs our help?  Not sure I agree with the logic there.  I hope in the future, when I have children who go to girls camp, that they would be the ones to let go of the rope to help someone they think is in need.  Charity is better than blind obedience.

Otherwise, sounds like a terrific time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The older young women would try to “tempt” them to let go of the rope. One of the older young women feigned an injury.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait&#8211;we can lose grip of the iron rod by going to help someone who needs our help?  Not sure I agree with the logic there.  I hope in the future, when I have children who go to girls camp, that they would be the ones to let go of the rope to help someone they think is in need.  Charity is better than blind obedience.</p>
<p>Otherwise, sounds like a terrific time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been to YW camp with daughters because we don&#039;t have any, but I try to sign up to go when I can because I think it is a worthwhile thing that deserves support.

I&#039;ve spent a lot of time in YM and I&#039;ve also noticed the differences between scout camps and YW camp and have wondered how to account for them.  Maybe one reason is because boys go camping every month.  It is difficult for scout leaders to go full throttle all the time because they know they&#039;re going to have to do it again in three weeks.  That might also explain why the pace at YW camp seems so frenetic -- the leaders know they have to get everything in now or wait until next year.  

In our stake, the biggest difference between scout camp and YW canp is the quality of the chow.  A woman goes to girl&#039;s camp as the full-time cook, and she excels at her calling.  One meal I remember was chicken alfredo with pasta and cheesecake for dessert.  I thought of that the next month when I was camping with the scouts, eating pork and beans out of a can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been to YW camp with daughters because we don&#8217;t have any, but I try to sign up to go when I can because I think it is a worthwhile thing that deserves support.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time in YM and I&#8217;ve also noticed the differences between scout camps and YW camp and have wondered how to account for them.  Maybe one reason is because boys go camping every month.  It is difficult for scout leaders to go full throttle all the time because they know they&#8217;re going to have to do it again in three weeks.  That might also explain why the pace at YW camp seems so frenetic &#8212; the leaders know they have to get everything in now or wait until next year.  </p>
<p>In our stake, the biggest difference between scout camp and YW canp is the quality of the chow.  A woman goes to girl&#8217;s camp as the full-time cook, and she excels at her calling.  One meal I remember was chicken alfredo with pasta and cheesecake for dessert.  I thought of that the next month when I was camping with the scouts, eating pork and beans out of a can.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAF, thanks for your comment. I was not a member of the Church when I was a youth, and I really wish, in retrospect, that I had had the opportunity to participate in these types of camps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAF, thanks for your comment. I was not a member of the Church when I was a youth, and I really wish, in retrospect, that I had had the opportunity to participate in these types of camps.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a blast at Girls Camp. I go every year as one of priesthood observers/designated mules, and plan on continuing to do such as long as I have daughters attending (which, assuming all four of our daughters remain active through their teen-age years--fingers crossed!--will keep me attending Girls through 2024 or thereabouts). Like you, I&#039;ve been struck by the dedication, the seriousness, as well as the sense of fun, which the leaders bring to designing activities and engaging the young women. I&#039;m a fan of Scouting, personally, but I can see that there is an advantage to building a youth event entirely through and around our own traditions and needs, rather than fitting them into the mold of a different (admirable, but still distinct) program. From what I&#039;ve seen, the YW--despite the collective desire of teen-agers to be &quot;their own&quot; person--generally respond very well to being part of and surrounded by an expression of church culture.

We did a Lehi&#039;s Dream activity like the one you mention here last year. It was a lot of work getting organized; I spent an entire afternoon trying to get extension cords over to the chosen tree, and then clambering around, putting Christmas lights up in it, and I had the cuts to show for it. But man, was it worth it. The result was a very powerful, humbling evening, one which brought the whole camp together in a very touching way. I got to hear my oldest, the high-schooler, bear her testimony for the first time. It was a lovely experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a blast at Girls Camp. I go every year as one of priesthood observers/designated mules, and plan on continuing to do such as long as I have daughters attending (which, assuming all four of our daughters remain active through their teen-age years&#8211;fingers crossed!&#8211;will keep me attending Girls through 2024 or thereabouts). Like you, I&#8217;ve been struck by the dedication, the seriousness, as well as the sense of fun, which the leaders bring to designing activities and engaging the young women. I&#8217;m a fan of Scouting, personally, but I can see that there is an advantage to building a youth event entirely through and around our own traditions and needs, rather than fitting them into the mold of a different (admirable, but still distinct) program. From what I&#8217;ve seen, the YW&#8211;despite the collective desire of teen-agers to be &#8220;their own&#8221; person&#8211;generally respond very well to being part of and surrounded by an expression of church culture.</p>
<p>We did a Lehi&#8217;s Dream activity like the one you mention here last year. It was a lot of work getting organized; I spent an entire afternoon trying to get extension cords over to the chosen tree, and then clambering around, putting Christmas lights up in it, and I had the cuts to show for it. But man, was it worth it. The result was a very powerful, humbling evening, one which brought the whole camp together in a very touching way. I got to hear my oldest, the high-schooler, bear her testimony for the first time. It was a lovely experience.</p>
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