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	<title>Comments on: Friday Forum: Genesis 11:6-9 &#8220;Confounding the Language of the Earth&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/friday-forum-genesis-116-9-confounding-the-language-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-40054</link>
		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a long, but fascinating paper a couple of years ago theorizing that the Romani/Gypsie people are a lost tribe of Israel. 

In Sephardic traditions they believe that when Solomon sent out Hebrew pioneers to Tarshish, he sent both Benjamin and Judah tribes. So if you are Sephardic Jew you might be Benjamin too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a long, but fascinating paper a couple of years ago theorizing that the Romani/Gypsie people are a lost tribe of Israel. </p>
<p>In Sephardic traditions they believe that when Solomon sent out Hebrew pioneers to Tarshish, he sent both Benjamin and Judah tribes. So if you are Sephardic Jew you might be Benjamin too.</p>
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		<title>By: RV</title>
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		<dc:creator>RV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be fascinating to link languages and ethnicities to the dispersal of the 10 lost tribes.  I think that somehow the Indians of South India (ie, not the northern Aryans) have a link to one or more of the 10 tribes.

I sincerely believe we will see a huge influx of Asian Indians into the church in the coming 10 years, not just in India, but in the US too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be fascinating to link languages and ethnicities to the dispersal of the 10 lost tribes.  I think that somehow the Indians of South India (ie, not the northern Aryans) have a link to one or more of the 10 tribes.</p>
<p>I sincerely believe we will see a huge influx of Asian Indians into the church in the coming 10 years, not just in India, but in the US too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be fascinating to link languages and ethnicities to the dispersal of the 10 lost tribes.  I think that somehow the Indians of South India (ie, not the northern Aryans) have a link to one or more of the 10 tribes.

I sincerely believe we will see a huge influx of Asian Indians into the church in the coming 10 years, not just in India, but in the US too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be fascinating to link languages and ethnicities to the dispersal of the 10 lost tribes.  I think that somehow the Indians of South India (ie, not the northern Aryans) have a link to one or more of the 10 tribes.</p>
<p>I sincerely believe we will see a huge influx of Asian Indians into the church in the coming 10 years, not just in India, but in the US too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 05:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reference, JAB. I&#039;ll take a look at that. I&#039;m acquainted with Seely&#039;s other work, and I generally respect it. The fact this was published in the WTJ adds a level of credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reference, JAB. I&#8217;ll take a look at that. I&#8217;m acquainted with Seely&#8217;s other work, and I generally respect it. The fact this was published in the WTJ adds a level of credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 05:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an article  &#039;The Date of the Tower of Babel and some Theological Implications&#039; by Paul H. Seely: 
 
http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Seely_Babel_WTJ.pdf

A few points that Seeley brings up is that Shinar (maybe Sumer) is the civilization of the Tower of Babel. The tower  was constructed at the no earlier than  3500 BC. If this is correct, multiple languages were already upon the earth. So if Shinar or Sumer  is correct than the phrase &quot;the whole earth&quot; was Southern Mesopotamia. THere are stories in the Sumerian culture that talk about a tower that is close enough to be the Tower of Babel. 

If Shinar is Sumer, there is a catch, in the language of  Sumer was spoken for another 500 to 1,000 or so years after the Tower was perhaps constructed. Well enough time to finish the tower. 

Also from Paul h Seeley&#039;s article:   &quot;story of Gen 11:1-9 as reflecting  
the fall of the Uruk culture c. 3000 B.C.; and, the confusion of language is just a  
way of saying that diverse ethnic groups took over after the fall of the Uruk cul- 
ture. Payne suggests that the upheaval was due to the influx of the Akkadians  
with their Semitic language into Sumer sometime around 3000 to 2500 B.C.  
The Akkadian language confused the Sumerian language and eventually dis- 
placed it. DeWitt suggests that the upheaval was due to the invading Elamites  
and Subarians in 1960 B.C. who put an end to the Sumerian civilization. &quot;

So anyway it looks like the whole thing is as clear as mud, but interesting to read about. I suppose many of the stories in the Old Testament are mysteries of God. Sometimes we have to swallow the whole pie of our faith in God and His Word. I am ok with it. If the Tower of Babel as told in the scriptures is part fiction mixed with facts, God has His purposes; and He is God. Nuff said.  

Anyone else have anything to add?  Mike?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an article  &#8216;The Date of the Tower of Babel and some Theological Implications&#8217; by Paul H. Seely: </p>
<p><a href="http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Seely_Babel_WTJ.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Seely_Babel_WTJ.pdf</a></p>
<p>A few points that Seeley brings up is that Shinar (maybe Sumer) is the civilization of the Tower of Babel. The tower  was constructed at the no earlier than  3500 BC. If this is correct, multiple languages were already upon the earth. So if Shinar or Sumer  is correct than the phrase &#8220;the whole earth&#8221; was Southern Mesopotamia. THere are stories in the Sumerian culture that talk about a tower that is close enough to be the Tower of Babel. </p>
<p>If Shinar is Sumer, there is a catch, in the language of  Sumer was spoken for another 500 to 1,000 or so years after the Tower was perhaps constructed. Well enough time to finish the tower. </p>
<p>Also from Paul h Seeley&#8217;s article:   &#8220;story of <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/11/1-9#1" title="LDS Scriptures Internet Edition: Gen 11:1&ndash;9">Gen 11:1&ndash;9</a> as reflecting<br />
the fall of the Uruk culture c. 3000 B.C.; and, the confusion of language is just a<br />
way of saying that diverse ethnic groups took over after the fall of the Uruk cul-<br />
ture. Payne suggests that the upheaval was due to the influx of the Akkadians<br />
with their Semitic language into Sumer sometime around 3000 to 2500 B.C.<br />
The Akkadian language confused the Sumerian language and eventually dis-<br />
placed it. DeWitt suggests that the upheaval was due to the invading Elamites<br />
and Subarians in 1960 B.C. who put an end to the Sumerian civilization. &#8221;</p>
<p>So anyway it looks like the whole thing is as clear as mud, but interesting to read about. I suppose many of the stories in the Old Testament are mysteries of God. Sometimes we have to swallow the whole pie of our faith in God and His Word. I am ok with it. If the Tower of Babel as told in the scriptures is part fiction mixed with facts, God has His purposes; and He is God. Nuff said.  </p>
<p>Anyone else have anything to add?  Mike?????</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/friday-forum-genesis-116-9-confounding-the-language-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-39965</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JA Benson:

Probably Sumerian (c. 3100 B.C.).

Hebrew is late on the scene (c. 950 B.C.), and a derivative of Canaanite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_languages</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JA Benson:</p>
<p>Probably Sumerian (c. 3100 B.C.).</p>
<p>Hebrew is late on the scene (c. 950 B.C.), and a derivative of Canaanite.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_languages" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_languages</a></p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bro Jones- When we were in China I wondered the same thing. Chinese is just so different. So many different  meanings in each word. A complete mystery to me. 

Doug-My oldest daughter Jie Jie agrees with you that you are right the Sumerians had the first language and writing form, cuneiform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bro Jones- When we were in China I wondered the same thing. Chinese is just so different. So many different  meanings in each word. A complete mystery to me. </p>
<p>Doug-My oldest daughter Jie Jie agrees with you that you are right the Sumerians had the first language and writing form, cuneiform.</p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Mike I will give you that. So just looking at the Mesopotamia area, do we know what the first language was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Mike I will give you that. So just looking at the Mesopotamia area, do we know what the first language was?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d classify the confounding of the languages (along with most of Genesis 1–11) as etiological myth.

It&#039;s clear from the Jaredite story that something did happen, but Babel being the origin of all the diverse languages of earth isn&#039;t it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d classify the confounding of the languages (along with most of <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/1" title="LDS Scriptures Internet Edition: Genesis 1">Genesis 1</a>–11) as etiological myth.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear from the Jaredite story that something did happen, but Babel being the origin of all the diverse languages of earth isn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible that the Brother of Jared and his people spoke Adamic still?  Their language was not confounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible that the Brother of Jared and his people spoke Adamic still?  Their language was not confounded.</p>
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