Comments on: Dear Bloggernacle: You Are Gross

By: Heli [Visitor]

Heli [Visitor] — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:48:20 +0000

I think I missed the boat, so I charted a ship. A BORG ship to be exact, sorry if I didn’t take grossness seeriously or that I rejoked.

By: J. Watkins [Visitor]

J. Watkins [Visitor] — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:54:32 +0000

How sad that so many people didn’t take this more serious. And for those of you who keep making jokes about how hypocritical it is to write a blog about how gross the Bloggernacle is, I think you missed the boat. He already made that joke.

By: Anonymoose [Visitor]

Anonymoose [Visitor] — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:56:23 +0000

Thanks, Heli, for clarifying my remarks in 34, and sorry for being so gross, I guess I missed the mark completely here!

By: tracy m [Visitor]

tracy m [Visitor] — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:14:14 +0000

Once again, Horray for annegb.

By: Heli [Visitor]

Heli [Visitor] — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:35:28 +0000

Actually faith without works is dead. So technically if you have no works you don't really have any faith. So we cannot be saved without any works. Furthermore you can't be saved without baptism, which is a work. However, Anonymoose didn't say you are saved "by" works, only that you are not saved by grace without works. Not quite the same thing. Of course we know we are saved by grace, but what is salvation? The telestial kingdom is still salvation, but arguably it is the process of sanctification by which you show you were "valiant" that will be the characteristic of those who receive Celestial glory. Valiant in the testimony of Jesus Christ is the requisite for exaltation, which includes a number of what are arguably works.

Steve, maybe it isn't as simple as your soundbite makes it seem. Ok, its not nearly as simple as my explaination above makes it seem.

But I digress, the above was merely an exercise of grossness. I actually think I might clarify in my mind the grace/works dilemna and maybe others will learn from what I wrote and expound on it and I'll learn from what they wrote.

We are all part of the collective BLOG mind (BORG? BLOG? what's the difference?)

By: annegb [Visitor]

annegb [Visitor] — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:34:24 +0000

Gross isn’t the word I would use, Davis, but the things you describe bother me as well. I think we’re all in this together, for a reason more important than competition.

I think there are people who think like us all over. People who understand the hypocrisy and the shallowness of NOT questioning. People who can question without losing God. We need each other and that is more important than who’s better at a quick phrase.

By: Anonymoose [Visitor]

Anonymoose [Visitor] — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:09:38 +0000

sorry got the wording backwards in #34, I should have just quoted 2Ne25:23, or in other words, our works preceed Jesus’ grace, or Jesus saving us — will do better next time!!

By: Steve EM [Visitor]

Steve EM [Visitor] — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:57:01 +0000

I’m sorry Davis, the evangelist in me just jumps out whenever someone hints of self salvation.

Back to topic, the Nacle is great!

By: D. Bell [Member]

D. Bell [Member] — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:38:42 +0000

Overall buildup.

Steve EM and Anonymoose: You’re getting rather far afield from the topic at hand.

By: jjohnsen [Visitor]

jjohnsen [Visitor] — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:34:32 +0000

Did something in particular bring this on, or an overall building of grossness over time?