Comments on: Catholics, Genealogy and Baptism for the Dead http://www.millennialstar.org/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:51:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Cincuenta http://www.millennialstar.org/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-30891 Cincuenta Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:06:05 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/05/21/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/#comment-30891 Perhaps we ought to announce we are baptizing all the dead popes. That ought to create some controversy, since the Catholic Church seems to believe it has some deleterious effect on their future. Perhaps we ought to announce we are baptizing all the dead popes. That ought to create some controversy, since the Catholic Church seems to believe it has some deleterious effect on their future.

]]> By: Seth R. http://www.millennialstar.org/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-30753 Seth R. Fri, 23 May 2008 15:06:21 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/05/21/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/#comment-30753 I had one debate where a guy was telling me the LDS have no right to get all huffy about the Catholics denying access when the LDS Church is similarly restrictive about its own documents. It took me a while of arguing, but I eventually realized he was under the impression that the LDS deny other faiths access to our own genealogical records. Which we don't, of course. Just reminded me that it pays to establish what assumptions people are operating under in their objections. I had one debate where a guy was telling me the LDS have no right to get all huffy about the Catholics denying access when the LDS Church is similarly restrictive about its own documents.

It took me a while of arguing, but I eventually realized he was under the impression that the LDS deny other faiths access to our own genealogical records. Which we don’t, of course.

Just reminded me that it pays to establish what assumptions people are operating under in their objections.

]]> By: Muslihoon http://www.millennialstar.org/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-30748 Muslihoon Thu, 22 May 2008 19:47:14 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/05/21/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/#comment-30748 Not that I want to hijack this thread, but I discovered something really cool yesterday: the FamilySearch Indexing Project. I believe there's a stake calling to index records, but for this, anyone can join, member or non-member, called or not. You sign up, download a program, download "batches", transfer the info into fields in the program, ask the program to check it, and then submit. Easy! I started last night and have already done 160 names. Sometimes deciphering handwriting can be a chore, but otherwise it's a blast. Very interesting. And more importantly, this helps the Church's family history record keeping and releasing process, helping people do their family history. All one needs is a computer with internet access (one needs internet access only to download and submit a batch; one doesn't have to be online the entire time one is working on a batch). As you can tell, I'm really excited. For more info, please go to: http://www.familysearchindexing.org/ Or read this blog entry: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2008/01/familysearch-in.html Not that I want to hijack this thread, but I discovered something really cool yesterday: the FamilySearch Indexing Project. I believe there’s a stake calling to index records, but for this, anyone can join, member or non-member, called or not. You sign up, download a program, download “batches”, transfer the info into fields in the program, ask the program to check it, and then submit. Easy! I started last night and have already done 160 names.

Sometimes deciphering handwriting can be a chore, but otherwise it’s a blast. Very interesting. And more importantly, this helps the Church’s family history record keeping and releasing process, helping people do their family history.

All one needs is a computer with internet access (one needs internet access only to download and submit a batch; one doesn’t have to be online the entire time one is working on a batch).

As you can tell, I’m really excited. For more info, please go to:
http://www.familysearchindexing.org/

Or read this blog entry:
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2008/01/familysearch-in.html

]]> By: Muslihoon http://www.millennialstar.org/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-30741 Muslihoon Thu, 22 May 2008 16:00:38 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/05/21/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/#comment-30741 Speaking of NFS, can anyone access it today? I can't from either browser (IE and FireFox) and am wondering whether it's a general crash or something's wrong with my computer. I am very fortunate in that a number of relatives of mine love talking about family history. They don't know why I'm interested or soliciting this information, but they like to provide it anyway. Unfortunately, we (South Asians of Muslim origins) don't really keep many records, so going back is extremely difficult. Speaking of NFS, can anyone access it today? I can’t from either browser (IE and FireFox) and am wondering whether it’s a general crash or something’s wrong with my computer.

I am very fortunate in that a number of relatives of mine love talking about family history. They don’t know why I’m interested or soliciting this information, but they like to provide it anyway.

Unfortunately, we (South Asians of Muslim origins) don’t really keep many records, so going back is extremely difficult.

]]> By: Doc http://www.millennialstar.org/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-30732 Doc Thu, 22 May 2008 00:16:00 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/05/21/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/#comment-30732 I guess families get upset now when a living member joins the Church. Apparently is those that passed on should do so, it is just as emotional. They need to take it up with the relative and not the church, though. I guess families get upset now when a living member joins the Church. Apparently is those that passed on should do so, it is just as emotional. They need to take it up with the relative and not the church, though.

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.millennialstar.org/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-30726 Clark Goble Wed, 21 May 2008 19:04:26 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/05/21/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/#comment-30726 I think the showed towards the end explained that to a degree. (Although I think the misunderstanding is still pretty key) It's largely about the immediate family of the deceased and the perception of how they would feel of the family member joining Mormonism. It still doesn't ultimately make sense but then a lot of issues people react emotionally to don't. Brian, I think she can still get the records. She should just make sure not to say she is Mormon. I believe the Vatican letter was more about genealogical missionaries who just come down and scan in all records for processing back in SLC. I think the showed towards the end explained that to a degree. (Although I think the misunderstanding is still pretty key) It’s largely about the immediate family of the deceased and the perception of how they would feel of the family member joining Mormonism.

It still doesn’t ultimately make sense but then a lot of issues people react emotionally to don’t.

Brian, I think she can still get the records. She should just make sure not to say she is Mormon. I believe the Vatican letter was more about genealogical missionaries who just come down and scan in all records for processing back in SLC.

]]> By: Geoff B http://www.millennialstar.org/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-30725 Geoff B Wed, 21 May 2008 18:41:28 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/05/21/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/#comment-30725 I got baptized when I was 35, and I spent plenty of time around anti-Mormons before I was baptized. There are some complaints that people have about the Church that I can understand, but I just don't get this whole issue of not wanting to release genealogy information to the Church. Presumably if you are Catholic or Jewish you don't believe the Church is true. So in your mind anything a Mormon does has no affect whatsoever. So, who cares what Mormons do among themselves regarding dead people? I have heard all of the possible answers, but I still don't get it. Clark, I think you are correct that it boils down to a lack of understanding regarding how we believe the process actually works in the spirit world. But some of the opposition to our family history work strikes me as just plain weird. I got baptized when I was 35, and I spent plenty of time around anti-Mormons before I was baptized. There are some complaints that people have about the Church that I can understand, but I just don’t get this whole issue of not wanting to release genealogy information to the Church. Presumably if you are Catholic or Jewish you don’t believe the Church is true. So in your mind anything a Mormon does has no affect whatsoever. So, who cares what Mormons do among themselves regarding dead people?

I have heard all of the possible answers, but I still don’t get it. Clark, I think you are correct that it boils down to a lack of understanding regarding how we believe the process actually works in the spirit world. But some of the opposition to our family history work strikes me as just plain weird.

]]> By: Brian Duffin http://www.millennialstar.org/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-30724 Brian Duffin Wed, 21 May 2008 18:29:21 +0000 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/05/21/catholics-genealogy-and-baptism-for-the-dead/#comment-30724 Great post, Clark. My wife and I attended a family history class in my parent's ward and tried out the new Family Search--very slick--I recommend trying it! With my wife being a convert from Catholicism, she will likely face some issues when attempting to do her genealogy. In fact, none of her family records were available in Family Search. Great post, Clark.

My wife and I attended a family history class in my parent’s ward and tried out the new Family Search–very slick–I recommend trying it!

With my wife being a convert from Catholicism, she will likely face some issues when attempting to do her genealogy. In fact, none of her family records were available in Family Search.

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