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	<title>Comments on: An Atheist in the Great World of the Spirits of the Dead</title>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/an-atheist-in-the-great-world-of-the-spirits-of-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-35343</link>
		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Bookslinger. I suppose most of us will have a mixed reaction crowd at our arrival in the Spirt World.  If a lot of people are like DH and I, they will have a crowd of ancestors who are a variety of color and ethnic type. That will give some Mormons a big surprise! I have this picture in my mind of the spirit world just like  the final room on the ride *Small World* in Disney Land That room just  makes me cry.  DH MIke just rolls his eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Bookslinger. I suppose most of us will have a mixed reaction crowd at our arrival in the Spirt World.  If a lot of people are like DH and I, they will have a crowd of ancestors who are a variety of color and ethnic type. That will give some Mormons a big surprise! I have this picture in my mind of the spirit world just like  the final room on the ride *Small World* in Disney Land That room just  makes me cry.  DH MIke just rolls his eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/an-atheist-in-the-great-world-of-the-spirits-of-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-35342</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff: I suppose I&#039;ll run into two sets of people

1) those my dead ancestors who&#039;ll want to kick my spirit butt for not getting around to their temple work.

2) the ancestors of people who join the church through the book-slinging and who remain faithful to do their folks&#039; temple work.

So maybe those other peoples&#039; ancestors  will protect me from getting beaten up by my ancestors.

Back to what atheists might think...

That will have to be a big shock to atheists.  I think it happens one of two ways. Just guessing here.  One way would be to go to sleep (or go unconscious) here and then &quot;wake up&quot; on the other side.  Or a second way might be to &lt;i&gt;consciously&lt;/i&gt; pass through the veil and be mentally/spiritually aware of the transition, like walking through a waterfall, or going through the wormhole on the Star Gate TV show.

I think one of the unwritten thoughts that went through Alma Junior&#039;s mind during his period of conversion while he was unconscious was: &quot;Oh no! Dad was right!&quot;  (Personally, I think Alma Jr and his buds already had a testimony, and knew the church/gospel was true. You don&#039;t get angelic visits until after you &quot;know.&quot;  They were intentionally rebellious, sinning against the light, and were in big trouble because they were going against what they knew to be true.  Therefore, the angelic visit didn&#039;t prove/convince them of anything they didn&#039;t already know.  The visit just forced the issue of them dealing with the truth they already knew.)

Can you imagine the look on people&#039;s faces if Spirit Missionaries in the Spirt World (at least those who serve people who die nowadays) wear business suits and black name-tags with the name of the church on it?

&quot;Oh no! Not the Mormons!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff: I suppose I&#8217;ll run into two sets of people</p>
<p>1) those my dead ancestors who&#8217;ll want to kick my spirit butt for not getting around to their temple work.</p>
<p>2) the ancestors of people who join the church through the book-slinging and who remain faithful to do their folks&#8217; temple work.</p>
<p>So maybe those other peoples&#8217; ancestors  will protect me from getting beaten up by my ancestors.</p>
<p>Back to what atheists might think&#8230;</p>
<p>That will have to be a big shock to atheists.  I think it happens one of two ways. Just guessing here.  One way would be to go to sleep (or go unconscious) here and then &#8220;wake up&#8221; on the other side.  Or a second way might be to <i>consciously</i> pass through the veil and be mentally/spiritually aware of the transition, like walking through a waterfall, or going through the wormhole on the Star Gate TV show.</p>
<p>I think one of the unwritten thoughts that went through Alma Junior&#8217;s mind during his period of conversion while he was unconscious was: &#8220;Oh no! Dad was right!&#8221;  (Personally, I think Alma Jr and his buds already had a testimony, and knew the church/gospel was true. You don&#8217;t get angelic visits until after you &#8220;know.&#8221;  They were intentionally rebellious, sinning against the light, and were in big trouble because they were going against what they knew to be true.  Therefore, the angelic visit didn&#8217;t prove/convince them of anything they didn&#8217;t already know.  The visit just forced the issue of them dealing with the truth they already knew.)</p>
<p>Can you imagine the look on people&#8217;s faces if Spirit Missionaries in the Spirt World (at least those who serve people who die nowadays) wear business suits and black name-tags with the name of the church on it?</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh no! Not the Mormons!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Book, all of those BoMs slung around Indiana will probably make up for not doing all of your genealogy work.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Book, all of those BoMs slung around Indiana will probably make up for not doing all of your genealogy work.  <img src='http://www.millennialstar.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of the Southpark video about &quot;orientation&quot; given by the &#039;cruise director&#039; in hell.

I wonder who make up the welcoming committees and who are in authority in the area of the spirit world or spirit prison where the non-believers, atheists and unrepentant go.

If a spirit is in a place and condition where he/she can hear the missionaries, is it obvious that the missionaries have authority or are telling the truth?  Or do spirit missionaries (&#039;dead missionaries&#039; if you will) of various churches and religions get to go around saying &quot;No, don&#039;t believe them, believe us.&quot;

Even before I saw the Southpark skit on the cruise director in hell, I often pictured the spirits of those who were non-believers in mortality asking someone in authority &quot;so which religion was right, or the closest?&quot; And the answer being, &quot;Uhh, let&#039;s see, during your lifetime it was &#039;The Mormons.&#039;&quot;

Let&#039;s remember that there were a lot less atheists in Western (Anglo and western european) societies in the 1800&#039;s than there are today.

Today a lot of honest-in-heart people have been deceived by the craftiness of men.  I believe that the initial shock of &quot;Hmmm, so there is life after death&quot; will in itself convert a lot of atheists almost immediately after death into believers in some higher power. The main question for them will be &quot;Ok, so which religion or church was it?&quot;

The time it takes them to convert and repent may depend on how much &quot;competition&quot; is allowed in the Spirit World.

I also wonder what will happen to lazy believers like me who haven&#039;t submitted the names of known ancestors to have their temple work done.  If I don&#039;t get my paper files entered into the computer and submitted before I, er, &quot;cross the veil&quot;, I could imagine meeting up with some angry ancestors, who would want to kick my spirit butt for not getting their temple work done.

Unless someone has had a vision of the Spirit World and Spirit Prison, I don&#039;t think we can assume much.  I don&#039;t know if Parley was speaking from his own visions or whether he was extrapolating the doctrines taught to him by Joseph Smith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the Southpark video about &#8220;orientation&#8221; given by the &#8216;cruise director&#8217; in hell.</p>
<p>I wonder who make up the welcoming committees and who are in authority in the area of the spirit world or spirit prison where the non-believers, atheists and unrepentant go.</p>
<p>If a spirit is in a place and condition where he/she can hear the missionaries, is it obvious that the missionaries have authority or are telling the truth?  Or do spirit missionaries (&#8216;dead missionaries&#8217; if you will) of various churches and religions get to go around saying &#8220;No, don&#8217;t believe them, believe us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even before I saw the Southpark skit on the cruise director in hell, I often pictured the spirits of those who were non-believers in mortality asking someone in authority &#8220;so which religion was right, or the closest?&#8221; And the answer being, &#8220;Uhh, let&#8217;s see, during your lifetime it was &#8216;The Mormons.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s remember that there were a lot less atheists in Western (Anglo and western european) societies in the 1800&#8242;s than there are today.</p>
<p>Today a lot of honest-in-heart people have been deceived by the craftiness of men.  I believe that the initial shock of &#8220;Hmmm, so there is life after death&#8221; will in itself convert a lot of atheists almost immediately after death into believers in some higher power. The main question for them will be &#8220;Ok, so which religion or church was it?&#8221;</p>
<p>The time it takes them to convert and repent may depend on how much &#8220;competition&#8221; is allowed in the Spirit World.</p>
<p>I also wonder what will happen to lazy believers like me who haven&#8217;t submitted the names of known ancestors to have their temple work done.  If I don&#8217;t get my paper files entered into the computer and submitted before I, er, &#8220;cross the veil&#8221;, I could imagine meeting up with some angry ancestors, who would want to kick my spirit butt for not getting their temple work done.</p>
<p>Unless someone has had a vision of the Spirit World and Spirit Prison, I don&#8217;t think we can assume much.  I don&#8217;t know if Parley was speaking from his own visions or whether he was extrapolating the doctrines taught to him by Joseph Smith.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd the Wonderdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd the Wonderdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would he assume that his Buddist girlfriend was right and he&#039;s just waiting to be reincarnated?</description>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post John Thanks. LOL Brian. I think that you got it right. Geoff B. I think  you are correct. We will retain the essence of who we are even after death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post John Thanks. LOL Brian. I think that you got it right. Geoff B. I think  you are correct. We will retain the essence of who we are even after death.</p>
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		<title>By: NOYDMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOYDMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s always a good idea to get sidetracked away from the JD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s always a good idea to get sidetracked away from the JD.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Duffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Duffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, John. I would think your former associate would be asking for an explanation about his new surroundings. Perhaps the dead are invited to a large group meeting, similar to the ones held in the MTC, where they are given a quick orientation and explanation as to their current status and location. Sadly, like the new, smaller temples, there is no cafeteria and no clothing rental. I can just imagine the look of bitter disappointment Leona Helmsley&#039;s face when she got to the spirit world and discovered she was missing her vast shoe and clothing collection...and the lack of servants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, John. I would think your former associate would be asking for an explanation about his new surroundings. Perhaps the dead are invited to a large group meeting, similar to the ones held in the MTC, where they are given a quick orientation and explanation as to their current status and location. Sadly, like the new, smaller temples, there is no cafeteria and no clothing rental. I can just imagine the look of bitter disappointment Leona Helmsley&#8217;s face when she got to the spirit world and discovered she was missing her vast shoe and clothing collection&#8230;and the lack of servants.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll point out that I remember this particular talk by Parley P. Pratt because it is the second discourse recorded in the first volume of Journal of Discourses.  I am probably not the only person who once thought it would be a nice idea to read through the Journal of Discourses, but got sidetracked from the project early on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll point out that I remember this particular talk by Parley P. Pratt because it is the second discourse recorded in the first volume of Journal of Discourses.  I am probably not the only person who once thought it would be a nice idea to read through the Journal of Discourses, but got sidetracked from the project early on.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is worth pointing out that for many, many spirits the fact that you still exist after you die will not help you get to God&#039;s religion.  At one point I thought to myself, &quot;well, all these atheists will immediately convert when they get to the Spirit World and see that they still exist.&quot;  I no longer believe that.  If you take the amount of intelligence with you that you have when you die, that intelligence will be focused on your angsts and bitterness and hatred of religious people when you die also.  A lot of these people will still make excuses for all of the things they see, including the &quot;miracle&quot; that their spirit still exists after it leaves the body.  My personal feeling is there still will be a need for a &quot;might change of heart,&quot; even in the spirit world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is worth pointing out that for many, many spirits the fact that you still exist after you die will not help you get to God&#8217;s religion.  At one point I thought to myself, &#8220;well, all these atheists will immediately convert when they get to the Spirit World and see that they still exist.&#8221;  I no longer believe that.  If you take the amount of intelligence with you that you have when you die, that intelligence will be focused on your angsts and bitterness and hatred of religious people when you die also.  A lot of these people will still make excuses for all of the things they see, including the &#8220;miracle&#8221; that their spirit still exists after it leaves the body.  My personal feeling is there still will be a need for a &#8220;might change of heart,&#8221; even in the spirit world.</p>
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