Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, and… Jacques Chirac?!

I like France as much as the next guy. More, even, since I lived there and have been back to visit several times. A recent survey on LDS attitudes about war asked for names of less-than-ideal leaders, and this is the list that appeared (or at least, that the writers chose to list in their discussion of results.)

Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, and Jacques Chirac.

Really, Chirac wasn’t THAT bad ;)

18 thoughts on “Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, and… Jacques Chirac?!

  1. Yes, bizarre…but not too surprising considering the Bush Admin’s Kool-Aid (hi, Guy!:) and it’s appeal among a certain segment of Mormons. Nevertheless…this still seems like a joke.

  2. No, Chirac is just a tinpot corrupt careerist, hiding behind the protections of office, not quite as bad as Berlusconi, a little bit like Helmut Kohl.

    Certainly not as bad as Ceaucescu, Mugabe, Mobutu, Idi Amin, Kim Il Sung, Pinochet, Arafat, Charles Taylor…

  3. Actually, when you put the responses into context, it looks as if folks were probably responding more along the lines of “not good” as in godless or irreligious, rather than strictly evil…which makes a little more sense, I think. Here’s the context:

    One major pattern that emerged from the responses was the concept of strong devotion to righteous, moral leaders. Asked to describe their ideal leader, respondents wrote: “Someone who makes moral decisions that lead his people to peace, prosperity, security, and freedom.†“Someone who has the spirit of God with him.†“Looks to God for advice.†“Spiritual, decisive, Republican.†“Principled, faithful.†“Someone who has deep religious faith.â€

    George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan ranked among “the bestâ€; perceptions of Bill Clinton were “unfavorableâ€; perceptions of George H. W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon B. Johnson, and Harry S. Truman were “neutral.†Presidents most often named among “the worst†were Nixon, Clinton, and Carter. For “good†non-American leaders, Mohandas Gandhi, Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair were most named. “Bad†non-American leaders were Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, and Jacques Chirac.

    So I’m thinking that if the list were a little longer we’d see other liberal types that fit in as perceived alter egos of the George W Bushes of the world rather than as strict barbarians.

  4. To support this idea a little further. Take a look at the group of “bad” leaders in the scriptures:

    As for “bad†political leaders found in scripture: “David, because of his inability to live righteously.†“David, because he had sex with that woman.†“Gadianton, because he followed his carnal instincts.†“King Noah, total self-indulgence.†“Pilate, because he was morally weak.†“The Sanhedrin, because they killed Jesus.

    So David gets lumped-in with King Noah because….because he was somthing like Clinton? Very interesting.

  5. If you only give people two choices on foreign leaders, it is not at all suprising that there are going to be some questionable assignments near the boundaries. Bivalence stinks.

  6. Being that we are in a war, and that we are aware of President Hinckley’s sentiments, which should have priority in the Mormon culture:

    1) Signing up for a mission, or
    2) Enlisting in the armed forces to defend liberty and God.

    ?

  7. Since President Hinckley’s sentiments seemed to be very equivocal and difficult to pin down, I don’t see how one could make that choice by an appeal to them.

    By the way, Chirac looked pretty happy at the world cup today.

  8. Whatever do President Hinckley’s personal sentiments (assuming that you know them, T.O.) have to do with my views about the war in Iraq, or Jacques Chirac?

    By the way, I have no clue what Pres. Hinckley thinks of M. Chirac–and he probably wants me to remain clueless on that matter.

  9. Re 7 -

    Sign up for the military after the mission. Building the Kingdom of God, even in small chunks, is still more important.

  10. I’m interested in hearing why people think Bush is so God-fearing(especially in Utah County I guess)? Is it from his actions or because he talks about God so often?

  11. J. Johnsen,

    Good question! I think it’s because Bush is a Republican and is opposed to abortion, and in favor the death penalty, and a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, etc.

  12. But does he support those things because he’s a believer, or because it benefits him in the political world? So far nothing I’ve read about his personal life, before or after being born again, makes me believe he’s any more Christian than Clinton, Carter or Truman.

  13. It’s because Utah County is still taking their political marching orders from the Christian Coalition. That’s all.

  14. Has anyone heard from Ernest of “Ernest Goes to Iraq” blog?
    I emailed him a while back and got nothing back.

    He seemed like he was fixin’ to have a big case of either
    PTSD, or survivor’s guilt, and I’m worried about him.

    Civilians aren’t set up to get the same post-stress support
    that’s in place for the soldiers.

  15. thus above mentioned leaders realy are troublesome they have destroyed peoples lives asGod says no one is alowed to kill

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