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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.millennialstar.org/a-strict-parent/comment-page-1/#comment-41406</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholeen:
Some parents squeeze too much and that makes their children want to leave the nest that much quicker and some resent it so much that they never return.  You have to be careful how you treat and raise your children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholeen:<br />
Some parents squeeze too much and that makes their children want to leave the nest that much quicker and some resent it so much that they never return.  You have to be careful how you treat and raise your children.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholeen Peck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholeen Peck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry,

That&#039;s how I always thought of it too, but I have a different perspective now since my good friend shared a older meaning of the word.  I hope my children see strict as loving, compasionate order based on good standards and wholesome family relationships.

Kathy,

You have given great insights.  You are right on with your understanding.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how I always thought of it too, but I have a different perspective now since my good friend shared a older meaning of the word.  I hope my children see strict as loving, compasionate order based on good standards and wholesome family relationships.</p>
<p>Kathy,</p>
<p>You have given great insights.  You are right on with your understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction:
Word strict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:<br />
Word strict.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I think of the work strict, I think of the work conSTRICT.  To squeeze slowly unto death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I think of the work strict, I think of the work conSTRICT.  To squeeze slowly unto death.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I think of &quot;strict&quot; I also tend to think of yelling, harsh punishment, etc. Following that definition I had parents who were very &quot;strict.&quot; However, when you follow the definition of strict that you give as being exact, firm, with a strict set of guidelines, then my parents were the opposite of strict. They had no firm set of rules and when I look back and analyze the things I got into trouble the only real rule was &quot;Don&#039;t inconvenience or embarrass Mom and Dad.&quot;  In that home I always felt lost and afraid because I never knew what I might get into trouble for, and as long as I stayed under Mom and Dad&#039;s radar I could pretty much do whatever I wanted without consequences (at least from the parents). At some point I decided to rebel against my parents by becoming the most ultra goody-two-shoes teenager you ever met (my reasoning being that it was up to me to make up for my parents&#039; shortcomings, a heavy burden to carry at 12) but if that hadn&#039;t happened I probably would have turned out like any other &quot;troubled teen&quot; - on drugs, rebellious, possibly dead.  

This just shows how &quot;strict&quot; can be such a loaded word, as it can mean so many things to different people.  For me &quot;strict&quot; makes me think of the yelling and belitting my parents did, and I instantly rebel against that. Yet, I think in your explanation you really hit the nail on the head.  A parents creates a environment of love by not yelling or belittling, and the only way to do that (and maintain any kind order) is by being very consistent with a firm set of rules with predetermined consequences.  Once the kids know the rules, and what&#039;s going to happen if they break them, then you are freed up to be as supportive and loving as you possibly can be! But, if you don&#039;t have any rules or standards to follow, then nobody knows what&#039;s going on and you have no choice as a parent but to try to quash undesired behavior as it comes up (with or without harsh punishment), like some kind of endless whack-a-mole game, ultimately creating an unstable situation for everyone. 

At least that&#039;s how I see it, but I&#039;m still just getting started on this parenting adventure. I&#039;m sure I still have lots to learn. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I think of &#8220;strict&#8221; I also tend to think of yelling, harsh punishment, etc. Following that definition I had parents who were very &#8220;strict.&#8221; However, when you follow the definition of strict that you give as being exact, firm, with a strict set of guidelines, then my parents were the opposite of strict. They had no firm set of rules and when I look back and analyze the things I got into trouble the only real rule was &#8220;Don&#8217;t inconvenience or embarrass Mom and Dad.&#8221;  In that home I always felt lost and afraid because I never knew what I might get into trouble for, and as long as I stayed under Mom and Dad&#8217;s radar I could pretty much do whatever I wanted without consequences (at least from the parents). At some point I decided to rebel against my parents by becoming the most ultra goody-two-shoes teenager you ever met (my reasoning being that it was up to me to make up for my parents&#8217; shortcomings, a heavy burden to carry at 12) but if that hadn&#8217;t happened I probably would have turned out like any other &#8220;troubled teen&#8221; &#8211; on drugs, rebellious, possibly dead.  </p>
<p>This just shows how &#8220;strict&#8221; can be such a loaded word, as it can mean so many things to different people.  For me &#8220;strict&#8221; makes me think of the yelling and belitting my parents did, and I instantly rebel against that. Yet, I think in your explanation you really hit the nail on the head.  A parents creates a environment of love by not yelling or belittling, and the only way to do that (and maintain any kind order) is by being very consistent with a firm set of rules with predetermined consequences.  Once the kids know the rules, and what&#8217;s going to happen if they break them, then you are freed up to be as supportive and loving as you possibly can be! But, if you don&#8217;t have any rules or standards to follow, then nobody knows what&#8217;s going on and you have no choice as a parent but to try to quash undesired behavior as it comes up (with or without harsh punishment), like some kind of endless whack-a-mole game, ultimately creating an unstable situation for everyone. </p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s how I see it, but I&#8217;m still just getting started on this parenting adventure. I&#8217;m sure I still have lots to learn. <img src='http://www.millennialstar.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholeen,
I have seen the episode and looked at your blog.  I just want to thank you for the work you have done to help foster children as well as the work you continue to do to help other parents.  It is inspirational to see someone teaching parenting principles based on love, patience, committment, and self-discipline, rather than force or fear.  Kudos to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholeen,<br />
I have seen the episode and looked at your blog.  I just want to thank you for the work you have done to help foster children as well as the work you continue to do to help other parents.  It is inspirational to see someone teaching parenting principles based on love, patience, committment, and self-discipline, rather than force or fear.  Kudos to you!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholeen Peck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholeen Peck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>djinn, Thank you for your personal comment.  I have heard comments like yours before.  I think I can be of help.  I have lived with children just like were described.  I have lived with abusive, suicidal, lying kleptomaniacs with anger control issues.  And guess what? The way I parent in my home changed their hearts and behaviors.  Most of my previous foster children live very positive lives.  I actually believe luck has little to do with good parenting.  My children could be just as wild as the next child if I didn&#039;t give them boundaries. The thing is my boundaries come with love, not fear. 

I think parents need a good plan and sound communication skills from the beginning.  They also need to be consistent about lovingly correcting bad behaviors from a very young age, not just after a major problem occurs.  

People often get what I call &quot;stage mentality.&quot;  They start thinking all behaviors, even definance, are stages.  Definace is not a stage it is a disconnection from family and a love of self indulgence.  

Geoff, you are right about older teens.  If a child has a history of manipulating his environment and being hateful, then by the time he gets to be about 16 or 17 years old he either needs to come to a home like mine, for hard foster youth, for a complete social disconnect, or the parents might just have to wait it out and let him face the consequences.  Although both these ideas are options, (accept I don&#039;t actively do foster care anymore)the very best option is to make an environment at home which changes hearts.  

I would like to say here that any home can live by the same principles I do.  I teach families to make differences in the lives of their children all the time.  Changing the culture at home can make a huge difference!  Many parents take my seminars and then contact me a month or so later and say that their disconnected child is a happy member of the family again.  

Parents can change the vision and structure for the family and get amazing results.  If you haven&#039;t seen my show about transforming two very complex British teens you may want to go to http://teachingselfgovernment.com/worlds-strictest-parents-video-part-1_482/  I wish it showed more of the nitty gritty stuff, but they only had one hour.  :)

Things to do to help defiante teens: schedule talk times to build relationship, be real, caring, and humorous, pray together for each other, limit social involvement and excessive computer or television time. These things all feed the selfishness from within.   

I hope this was helpful.  I feel your pain from having to see good parents struggle with difficult teens.  I have lived with many of these kinds of teens. They do still have goodness inside and people can still touch it.  It does take patience though.  You can&#039;t make a person want to change, but you can love them into that change by having the Spirit in your home and having good communication skills.  That is mostly what I teach; communication skills, tone of the home, and understanding what the problems really are.  

I agree that parents need to be intuitive about what each child needs, and I also agree that the Spirit is the best teacher in the home.  I also DO NOT agree with fear based parenting.  I hope I made that clear enough.

good comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>djinn, Thank you for your personal comment.  I have heard comments like yours before.  I think I can be of help.  I have lived with children just like were described.  I have lived with abusive, suicidal, lying kleptomaniacs with anger control issues.  And guess what? The way I parent in my home changed their hearts and behaviors.  Most of my previous foster children live very positive lives.  I actually believe luck has little to do with good parenting.  My children could be just as wild as the next child if I didn&#8217;t give them boundaries. The thing is my boundaries come with love, not fear. </p>
<p>I think parents need a good plan and sound communication skills from the beginning.  They also need to be consistent about lovingly correcting bad behaviors from a very young age, not just after a major problem occurs.  </p>
<p>People often get what I call &#8220;stage mentality.&#8221;  They start thinking all behaviors, even definance, are stages.  Definace is not a stage it is a disconnection from family and a love of self indulgence.  </p>
<p>Geoff, you are right about older teens.  If a child has a history of manipulating his environment and being hateful, then by the time he gets to be about 16 or 17 years old he either needs to come to a home like mine, for hard foster youth, for a complete social disconnect, or the parents might just have to wait it out and let him face the consequences.  Although both these ideas are options, (accept I don&#8217;t actively do foster care anymore)the very best option is to make an environment at home which changes hearts.  </p>
<p>I would like to say here that any home can live by the same principles I do.  I teach families to make differences in the lives of their children all the time.  Changing the culture at home can make a huge difference!  Many parents take my seminars and then contact me a month or so later and say that their disconnected child is a happy member of the family again.  </p>
<p>Parents can change the vision and structure for the family and get amazing results.  If you haven&#8217;t seen my show about transforming two very complex British teens you may want to go to <a href="http://teachingselfgovernment.com/worlds-strictest-parents-video-part-1_482/" rel="nofollow">http://teachingselfgovernment.com/worlds-strictest-parents-video-part-1_482/</a>  I wish it showed more of the nitty gritty stuff, but they only had one hour.  <img src='http://www.millennialstar.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Things to do to help defiante teens: schedule talk times to build relationship, be real, caring, and humorous, pray together for each other, limit social involvement and excessive computer or television time. These things all feed the selfishness from within.   </p>
<p>I hope this was helpful.  I feel your pain from having to see good parents struggle with difficult teens.  I have lived with many of these kinds of teens. They do still have goodness inside and people can still touch it.  It does take patience though.  You can&#8217;t make a person want to change, but you can love them into that change by having the Spirit in your home and having good communication skills.  That is mostly what I teach; communication skills, tone of the home, and understanding what the problems really are.  </p>
<p>I agree that parents need to be intuitive about what each child needs, and I also agree that the Spirit is the best teacher in the home.  I also DO NOT agree with fear based parenting.  I hope I made that clear enough.</p>
<p>good comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>djinn, fwiw, I knew a lot of kids like that -- completely without rules and lost.  Violent, abusive, threatened to kill their parents.  You are correct, there is not much you can do when they have reached the point of CD (conduct disorder).  This an actual mental illness that is extremely difficult to deal with.

http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/publications/allpubs/Ca-0010/default.asp

Nicholeen may have some suggestions, but my experience with kids with conduct disorder is that there is really very little you can do as parents except try to keep them alive until they are 18 and then let them go and suffer the consequences of their actions.  The good news is that very, very few kids actually have conduct disorder.  Most of them are like the kids in the BBC show who can really make progress if shown another way of living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>djinn, fwiw, I knew a lot of kids like that &#8212; completely without rules and lost.  Violent, abusive, threatened to kill their parents.  You are correct, there is not much you can do when they have reached the point of CD (conduct disorder).  This an actual mental illness that is extremely difficult to deal with.</p>
<p><a href="http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/publications/allpubs/Ca-0010/default.asp" rel="nofollow">http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/publications/allpubs/Ca-0010/default.asp</a></p>
<p>Nicholeen may have some suggestions, but my experience with kids with conduct disorder is that there is really very little you can do as parents except try to keep them alive until they are 18 and then let them go and suffer the consequences of their actions.  The good news is that very, very few kids actually have conduct disorder.  Most of them are like the kids in the BBC show who can really make progress if shown another way of living.</p>
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		<title>By: djinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>djinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Difficult brother (and I hope I don&#039;t give away too many details here) could climb three stories up a brick wall (using the mortar cracks as hand and feet holds  (it&#039;s much more now)) pretty much from young youth, and then fall off, breaking something, without much worry on his part, except the annoyance of a cast.  No fear.  He still doesn&#039;t have any. 

I guess the only point of my set of posts here is for parents to be flexible.  Each child is different. What works with kid A may fail spectacularly with kid B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Difficult brother (and I hope I don&#8217;t give away too many details here) could climb three stories up a brick wall (using the mortar cracks as hand and feet holds  (it&#8217;s much more now)) pretty much from young youth, and then fall off, breaking something, without much worry on his part, except the annoyance of a cast.  No fear.  He still doesn&#8217;t have any. </p>
<p>I guess the only point of my set of posts here is for parents to be flexible.  Each child is different. What works with kid A may fail spectacularly with kid B.</p>
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		<title>By: djinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>djinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the success that my most difficult sibling has experienced (was that me?) is due to the fact that my parents gave up at some point.  We all behaved, not because we were punished (just made us more interested in pushing the boundaries until they, inevitably, broke--and yes we were very young at the time) but because we didn&#039;t want to make our mother feel bad.  Love won.  Internal controls are really the only ones that work, and they are developed separately from strictness, as far as I can tell.  

Many friends of mine that grew up in strict families behaved beautifully when they were being watched, but then ran wild when given the chance.  Because our morals were based on love, rather than the fear of getting caught, we all grew up just fine.  Thanks, brother X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the success that my most difficult sibling has experienced (was that me?) is due to the fact that my parents gave up at some point.  We all behaved, not because we were punished (just made us more interested in pushing the boundaries until they, inevitably, broke&#8211;and yes we were very young at the time) but because we didn&#8217;t want to make our mother feel bad.  Love won.  Internal controls are really the only ones that work, and they are developed separately from strictness, as far as I can tell.  </p>
<p>Many friends of mine that grew up in strict families behaved beautifully when they were being watched, but then ran wild when given the chance.  Because our morals were based on love, rather than the fear of getting caught, we all grew up just fine.  Thanks, brother X.</p>
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