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		<title>By: danithew [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>danithew [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce, anything new on this?  The comments are interesting, particulary the one referring to ldsdevnet.org, though it isn&#039;t up yet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce, anything new on this?  The comments are interesting, particulary the one referring to ldsdevnet.org, though it isn&#8217;t up yet.</p>
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		<title>By: TedB [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>TedB [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding &quot;Unit membership visualization tools (I&#039;m doing this -- put your ward members into Google Earth)&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Make sure you don&#039;t run afoul of Church and legal restrictions about publishing private information. Locations and addresses are very sensitive information; if non-members or LDS-targetted businesses can get hold of your map and turnit into a mailing list, you may get in trouble.&lt;br /&gt;
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Best of luck -- cool ideas.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;Unit membership visualization tools (I&#8217;m doing this &#8212; put your ward members into Google Earth)&#8221;.</p>
<p>Make sure you don&#8217;t run afoul of Church and legal restrictions about publishing private information. Locations and addresses are very sensitive information; if non-members or LDS-targetted businesses can get hold of your map and turnit into a mailing list, you may get in trouble.</p>
<p>Best of luck &#8212; cool ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Butler [Member]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Butler [Member]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan H.,&lt;br /&gt;
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The major transition as I see it between something like that and what is needed corresponds to the transition between the text based web and so-called semantic web.  I have a friend who works for a firm trying to extract genealogical metadata from published web pages for search purposes and it is exceedingly difficult.  &lt;br /&gt;
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It would be comparably difficult, but for different reasons extracting data from a regularly structured source like a biographical dictionary.  But web formatting is highly diverse and does not typically carry the necessary information for structured searches.  The data eventually need to be published (at a minimum) in both structured and presentational format, or some hybrid of the two.  And even then, without a collaborative edit mechanism for the former, one just ends with data (and error) multiplication that turns into a virtually irreconcilable mess.&lt;br /&gt;
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One technology that I know of that may be suitable for doing this is that used for distributed source code control (git / arch / Bitkeeper, etc). It is much more scalable than current Wiki technology (which is based on a single centralized database), and has the advantage that it is inherently multi-schema (tree) while allowing for a structured review and edit process.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other words, if you don&#039;t like some body&#039;s change you don&#039;t have to have it in your tree.  But ultimately we would like everyone to work on the same tree, just as Linux kernel developers generally work on variations of the same version, the so called head branch.  The system naturally promotes collaboration.  &lt;br /&gt;
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None of us has the resources to do it all by ourselves - we have to cooperate.  But we probably cannot run the history of the world on a single database server either - that is where distributed revision control technology comes in handy.  Individuals, families, and organizations might maintain only a portion of the tree that they care about, and submit changes back into the reference tree with some sort of editorial quality control.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now I have talked to some marketing oriented people who think that is all a bit much for neophytes to comprehend, but I see it as ultimately the only way a quality (as in legal or scholarly quality) product will eventually result.  A no holds barred Wiki style edit war might be good for a first pass, but at some point discipline has to set in.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan H.,</p>
<p>The major transition as I see it between something like that and what is needed corresponds to the transition between the text based web and so-called semantic web.  I have a friend who works for a firm trying to extract genealogical metadata from published web pages for search purposes and it is exceedingly difficult.  </p>
<p>It would be comparably difficult, but for different reasons extracting data from a regularly structured source like a biographical dictionary.  But web formatting is highly diverse and does not typically carry the necessary information for structured searches.  The data eventually need to be published (at a minimum) in both structured and presentational format, or some hybrid of the two.  And even then, without a collaborative edit mechanism for the former, one just ends with data (and error) multiplication that turns into a virtually irreconcilable mess.</p>
<p>One technology that I know of that may be suitable for doing this is that used for distributed source code control (git / arch / Bitkeeper, etc). It is much more scalable than current Wiki technology (which is based on a single centralized database), and has the advantage that it is inherently multi-schema (tree) while allowing for a structured review and edit process.</p>
<p>In other words, if you don&#8217;t like some body&#8217;s change you don&#8217;t have to have it in your tree.  But ultimately we would like everyone to work on the same tree, just as Linux kernel developers generally work on variations of the same version, the so called head branch.  The system naturally promotes collaboration.  </p>
<p>None of us has the resources to do it all by ourselves &#8211; we have to cooperate.  But we probably cannot run the history of the world on a single database server either &#8211; that is where distributed revision control technology comes in handy.  Individuals, families, and organizations might maintain only a portion of the tree that they care about, and submit changes back into the reference tree with some sort of editorial quality control.</p>
<p>Now I have talked to some marketing oriented people who think that is all a bit much for neophytes to comprehend, but I see it as ultimately the only way a quality (as in legal or scholarly quality) product will eventually result.  A no holds barred Wiki style edit war might be good for a first pass, but at some point discipline has to set in.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hanks [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Hanks [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Mark Butler:&lt;br /&gt;
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Check out http://werelate.org&lt;br /&gt;
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They&#039;re heading in that direction, perhaps.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Mark Butler:</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://werelate.org" rel="nofollow">http://werelate.org</a></p>
<p>They&#8217;re heading in that direction, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Welch [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Welch [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have actually setup a site.  I work for the Church and have been hired by the Church to do exactly what you are saying you would like done.  I&#039;m working on getting the site live now.  Please email me should you want to be involved.&lt;br /&gt;
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By way of information, the site will &quot;probably&quot; be under the domain &quot;ldsdevnet.org&quot;.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Drop me a line and share with me your comments.&lt;br /&gt;
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Tom
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have actually setup a site.  I work for the Church and have been hired by the Church to do exactly what you are saying you would like done.  I&#8217;m working on getting the site live now.  Please email me should you want to be involved.</p>
<p>By way of information, the site will &#8220;probably&#8221; be under the domain &#8220;ldsdevnet.org&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Drop me a line and share with me your comments.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: quandmeme [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>quandmeme [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our stake went live this year with ymyw.org as a complete solution for tracking scouting and young men and young women requirements. We love it because of stewardship level access, it lets bishops and stake leaders pull up the youth and see progress before interviews. That is the reason we moved away from the quorum on an excel spreadsheet (It also means that when the youth lose their books we are not reduced to guess work). The issue we had at first was posting everything online without control of security. The Church is naturally very sensitive about posting youth information online. But once the stake did its due diligence we love it. Operating system is irrelevant of course because it all lives online. No the ward building doesn&#039;t have wifi but with the site does work fine by Blackberry I hear.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our stake went live this year with ymyw.org as a complete solution for tracking scouting and young men and young women requirements. We love it because of stewardship level access, it lets bishops and stake leaders pull up the youth and see progress before interviews. That is the reason we moved away from the quorum on an excel spreadsheet (It also means that when the youth lose their books we are not reduced to guess work). The issue we had at first was posting everything online without control of security. The Church is naturally very sensitive about posting youth information online. But once the stake did its due diligence we love it. Operating system is irrelevant of course because it all lives online. No the ward building doesn&#8217;t have wifi but with the site does work fine by Blackberry I hear.</p>
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		<title>By: danithew [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>danithew [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce, it might be early yet for this, but I&#039;m wondering if you&#039;ve thought of any names or urls you would use for this project/website.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce, it might be early yet for this, but I&#8217;m wondering if you&#8217;ve thought of any names or urls you would use for this project/website.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Butler [Member]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Butler [Member]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am a coder too. I mostly stick to C++ though.  One of my particular interests is genealogy software.  I have written quite a bit on a consulting basis over the years, but there is a wide open field for some world beating collaborative family history software - My dream project is sort of like a hybrid of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengeospatial.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OpenGIS&lt;/a&gt;, except heavily tailored for genealogy.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Church has been working on some nice advances in this field lately as well. Check out Dan Lawyer&#039;s web log:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://eatslikeahuman.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Taking Genealogy to the Common Person&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am a coder too. I mostly stick to C++ though.  One of my particular interests is genealogy software.  I have written quite a bit on a consulting basis over the years, but there is a wide open field for some world beating collaborative family history software &#8211; My dream project is sort of like a hybrid of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> and <a href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/" rel="nofollow">OpenGIS</a>, except heavily tailored for genealogy.</p>
<p>The Church has been working on some nice advances in this field lately as well. Check out Dan Lawyer&#8217;s web log:</p>
<p><a href="http://eatslikeahuman.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Taking Genealogy to the Common Person</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chad Too [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Too [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 05:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget the Yanceyware reader ( http://www.yanceyware.com/products/reader.htm ) and all the Ebooks ( http://www.thecoffeys.net/ebooks/default.asp?action=category&amp;type=All [feel free to fix my tags, Bryce]) available for Windows-based PDAs.  It was great to have every Primary, Sunday School, and Priesthood Manual at my fingertips when I was in our Bishopric.  Ditto the scriptures in mulitple languages.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;d also download recent Conference addresses, Boy Scout Merit Badge requirements, various study guides (I had True To The Faith electronically long before I had a hard copy) and you&#039;d be surprised how helpful it is to have a copy of the US Constitution at your fingertips when discussing with someone what the text *really* says!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the Yanceyware reader ( <a href="http://www.yanceyware.com/products/reader.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.yanceyware.com/products/reader.htm</a> ) and all the Ebooks ( <a href="http://www.thecoffeys.net/ebooks/default.asp?action=category&#038;type=All" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecoffeys.net/ebooks/default.asp?action=category&#038;type=All</a> [feel free to fix my tags, Bryce]) available for Windows-based PDAs.  It was great to have every Primary, Sunday School, and Priesthood Manual at my fingertips when I was in our Bishopric.  Ditto the scriptures in mulitple languages.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also download recent Conference addresses, Boy Scout Merit Badge requirements, various study guides (I had True To The Faith electronically long before I had a hard copy) and you&#8217;d be surprised how helpful it is to have a copy of the US Constitution at your fingertips when discussing with someone what the text *really* says!</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Goble [Member]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark Goble [Member]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 05:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote for supporting OSX as well.
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