Keller vs. Gordon
On the heels of Brian’s post about avoiding contention, I am reminded of Eccl. 3: 1 which tells us that “[t]o every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.” I would contend that there is a time to contend and a time not to contend. FAIR president Scott Gordon’s recent appearance on the Alan Colmes Show to counter Bill Keller’s (no relation!) diatribe that a vote for Romney is a vote for Satan seemed to me to be appropriate.
I appreciate, for the most part, how Rev. Keller uses his influence to help bring his 2.4 million followers to Christ. I can also admire someone willing to stand up for his convictions, even if unpopular. I can appreciate the work that countercult ministries to help maintain the boundaries of creedal and evangelical Christianity. I would plead with those influenced primarily by such literature to become better informed and to engage in respectful dialog with their Mormon neighbors.
Rev. Keller’s distrust for Mormonism probably stems from many factors such as the curriculum used in his theological training. No doubt that a recent financial deal falling through has increased Keller’s suspicions that Romney’s presidential run is primarily a move by the LDS Church to improve its mainstream acceptability:
I remember last year being excited about a wonderful deal we had put together with Larry Jones’ Feed the Children organization that would have meant millions of dollars a year to Liveprayer and been a big part of the answer to giving us all the resources we needed to do what God has called us to do in reaching the lost through secular television. I’ll never forget getting the phone call that Jones was bought and used by the Mormon cult as part of their overall strategy to appear as “just another Christian church.”
I recommend listening to Gordon’s responses as a model of good communication skills. He was very courteous in allowing the moderator and his opponent to speak without interruption or snickering. I estimated that Keller had about 50% more speaking time than Gordon, although some of that includes exchanges with Colmes over whether Keller’s condemnations to hell applied to Jews as well and what the political implications of Keller’s diatribe were. I think Gordon did well to maintain his cool despite being accused of being a liar, non-Christian, and a member of a satanic cult.
I was very impressed with Gordon fielding questions without hesitation, evasiveness, or trying to change the subject. While I imagine my responses to the same questions would be different, I would probably want all day to review them first. I really admire the ability to articulate ideas spontaneously, clearly, and under pressure. Rev. Keller also seemed to be polished in this respect, however he may want to learn from his Mormon opponent on how to come across as credible to a wider audience than his immediate flock.




The Nicene Creedâ€s definition of the Trinity was influenced by scribes translating the Greek manuscripts into Latin. The scribes embellished on a passage explaining the Trinity, which is the Catholic and Protestant belief that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The oldest versions of the epistle of 1 John, read: “There are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water and the blood and these three are one.”
Scribes later added “the Father, the Word and the Spirit,” and it remained in the epistle when it was translated into English for the King James Version, according to Dr. Bart Ehrman, Chairman of the Religion Department at UNC- Chapel Hill. . . .He no longer believes in the Nicene Trinity
Keller (not Bill Keller), your comments are pretty restrained and charitable. I listened to the link, and Bill Keller comes across as a complete wack job. I can’t imagine listeners taking him seriously, especially the listeners to Alan Colmes’ show, who are primarily thinking, “yes, another reason to think evangelicals are crazy.”
Guys like Bill Keller make evangelicals look bad. Even a place like Christianity today (www.christianitytoday.com), which is notably anti-Mormon in outlook, looks sane compared to him.
I have known hundreds of evangelicals, and most of them concentrate on bringing people to Christ, just as we do. I consider them allies and friends. Bill Keller sounds like he forgot to take some medication.
Geoff has obviously had better experiences with evangelicals than I have. Maybe it’s because I live in Utah, and they feel like underdogs, but I’ve worked with more than one that sound very similar to Bill Keller.
Geoff,
Where is the condemnation of Keller from the mainstream evangelical movement?
Until their leadership disavows the attack dogs in their ranks I have to take their silence as tacit approval of the anti-Mormon message. Right now, the official position of the larger evangelical movement is that Mormons are Satanic emissaries on their swift way to hell. Not because Dobson et al are specifically saying so (they aren’t, at least publicly), but by mere default. The only message about Mormons coming from the evangelical camp is coming from fruitcakes like Keller.
Even with Romney on the prowl, the mainstream Evangelical response has been mostly restrained silence.
Until the more reasonable evangelicals stand up in condemnation against him, Keller’s position IS the official evangelical position.
For all that, I’m sure evangelicals, as a whole are very nice people, even if they are quite certain I’m going to hell.